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Poker Stars Freeroll No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t15/t30 Blinds - 9 players - View hand 1618706
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

SB: t4860 162 BBs
BB: t2210 73.67 BBs
UTG: t850 28.33 BBs
UTG+1: t3090 103 BBs
UTG+2: t1980 66 BBs
MP1: t1040 34.67 BBs
MP2: t4750 158.33 BBs
CO: t1155 38.50 BBs
Hero (BTN): t1270 42.33 BBs

Pre Flop: (t45) Hero is BTN with 9 :diamond: 9 :spade:
UTG raises to t850 all in, 5 folds, Hero calls t850, 2 folds

Flop: (t1745) 3 :club: T :diamond: 7 :diamond: (2 players - 1 is all in)

Turn: (t1745) 2 :spade: (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: (t1745) 2 :diamond: (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: t1745
UTG shows K :heart: A :spade: (a pair of Deuces)
Hero shows 9 :diamond: 9 :spade: (two pair, Nines and Deuces)
Hero wins t1745


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_Anonymous_

another hand i just got this 1 is harder first 1 i kinda know that i should'v folded the question is still the same good call?

Poker Stars Freeroll No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t50/t100 Blinds - 9 players - View hand 1618712
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

BB: t5157 51.57 BBs
UTG: t2458 24.58 BBs
UTG+1: t1275 12.75 BBs
UTG+2: t3410 34.10 BBs
MP1: t1918 19.18 BBs
MP2: t2420 24.20 BBs
CO: t3975 39.75 BBs
BTN: t1730 17.30 BBs
Hero (SB): t2115 21.15 BBs

Pre Flop: (t150) Hero is SB with T :club: T :heart:
2 folds, UTG+2 calls t100, MP1 calls t100, MP2 calls t100, 2 folds, Hero raises to t400, 1 fold, UTG+2 calls t300, 1 fold, MP2 calls t300

Flop: (t1400) Q :club: J :heart: K :heart: (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG+2 checks, MP2 checks

Turn: (t1400) K :spade: (3 players)
Hero bets t300, UTG+2 calls t300, MP2 folds

River: (t2000) A :spade: (2 players)
Hero bets t1415 all in, UTG+2 calls t1415

Final Pot: t4830
UTG+2 shows 6 :heart: A :heart: (two pair, Aces and Kings)
Hero shows T :club: T :heart: (a straight, Ten to Ace)
Hero wins t4830


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Angstzweet
Joined: 13.01.2009

Thinks it's close.

What kind of range do you give him (or her lol :-p) ?


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for the first example or for the 2nd one ??


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for the first example
AT,AJ,JT 88-22

for 2nd totaly Ax


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Angstzweet
Joined: 13.01.2009

Originally posted by PinkFairy
for the first example
AT,AJ,JT 88-22

for 2nd totaly Ax

I meant the first hand. What are your odds with 99 against that range?

2nd hand I would shove preflop after 3 weak limpers.. 20bbs..


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i haven't checked :f_eek: that think i'll check after i finish the MTT i'm in
Edit:
OFF: :( just 1$ won

ON:
       Equity     Win     Tie
UTG    33.06%  32.79%   0.27% { 88-22, AJs-ATs, JTs, AJo-ATo, JTo }
BU     66.94%  66.68%   0.27% { 9d9s }


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amplifyd
Joined: 03.08.2009

First hand I am folding. Though it is close. I guess we have to call TT, though really 99 has a similar equity so is a meh spot. I don't mind either way - but i'd rather fold and find better spots.

2nd hand I am ok with way is played, so long as you are ch/folding flop, sad as it seems.


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Angstzweet
Joined: 13.01.2009

Originally posted by amplifyd
2nd hand I am ok with way is played, so long as you are ch/folding flop, sad as it seems.

You don't like a shove?


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amplifyd
Joined: 03.08.2009

Originally posted by Angstzweet

Originally posted by amplifyd
2nd hand I am ok with way is played, so long as you are ch/folding flop, sad as it seems.

You don't like a shove?

Not pre no not really - although just noted BI is freeroll - so yea actually shove.


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Angstzweet
Joined: 13.01.2009

But even if it's not a freeroll it's really std. if you shove your 20bb here with 3 limpers in front of you imo.


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wlcKeD
Joined: 24.02.2009

Originally posted by Angstzweet
But even if it's not a freeroll it's really std. if you shove your 20bb here with 3 limpers in front of you imo.

+1

Do you really suggest JUST raising pref with 21 BBs left ? First of all, I think 400 is waaay too less, cause they of course are going to call you, and you'll be !! OOP !! in !! multiway pot !! with just a pair of tens !! Do you really say that this is a good play? ?( And even if I raise more pref, then it's basically committing if they call - NOTHING left for any post-flop play ... So in this spot, I guess it should not be matter whether it's a freeroll or a 100$ BI - it should clearly be a push or fold decision here with 3 limpers (I realize that we're probably not going to see a 3 limpers pref in a 100$BI tournament, but still, situation is what it is here). Can you explain me, where am I wrong here? :rolleyes:


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Angstzweet
Joined: 13.01.2009

Originally posted by wlcKeD

Originally posted by Angstzweet
But even if it's not a freeroll it's really std. if you shove your 20bb here with 3 limpers in front of you imo.

+1

Do you really suggest JUST raising pref with 21 BBs left ? First of all, I think 400 is waaay too less, cause they of course are going to call you, and you'll be !! OOP !! in !! multiway pot !! with just a pair of tens !! Do you really say that this is a good play? ?( And even if I raise more pref, then it's basically committing if they call - NOTHING left for any post-flop play ... So in this spot, I guess it should not be matter whether it's a freeroll or a 100$ BI - it should clearly be a push or fold decision here with 3 limpers (I realize that we're probably not going to see a 3 limpers pref in a 100$BI tournament, but still, situation is what it is here). Can you explain me, where am I wrong here? :rolleyes:

Sorry, I was confusing this hand with another one.


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amplifyd
Joined: 03.08.2009

ok raise to 600 then. and there is alw postflop play if you see a flop and still have chips left. this 'comitted' mentailty is half the reason why raising rather than shoving pre leads to maximum +EV.


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Tiltberger
Joined: 23.06.2005

freerolls:

1st hand call -> you should get 55% against a freerollrange

Simulated 100000 Holdem Hands (Monte Carlo)
Simulation by Slice - The ev++ Equity Calculator

 Player   Equity   Win Hi   Tie Hi                                               Range                                                  
    
   1       58.4     58.0     0.9                                                    99                                              
   2       41.6     41.1     0.9      22-AA, A"K-6"{RB}, K"Q-T"{RB}, Q"J-T"{RB}, [J]T, [A"K-2"], [K"Q-9"], [Q"J-T"], [J"T-9"], [T9] 

2nd hand -> don't isoraise with those stacksizes. you are getting a thousand calls and you are nearly potcommitted with a big isoraise!
with 20bbs just shove it in with so much deadmoney. you'll get enough callers anyway!

as played c/f flop, c/f turn, bet river big!
greets


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wlcKeD
Joined: 24.02.2009

Originally posted by Tiltberger
2nd hand -> don't isoraise with those stacksizes. you are getting a thousand calls and you are nearly potcommitted with a big isoraise!
with 20bbs just shove it in with so much deadmoney. you'll get enough callers anyway!

Exactly what I said ... Still cannot understand, why amplifyd thinks raise pref is max EV, ergo best line there ... Thx, Tiltberger, for another opinion ;)


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masfe
Joined: 27.01.2007

On first hand i think it's also important to know how he lost those chips. Sometimes they do this shoves after losing a pot and i prob call then. Otherwise i fold.

If its a freeroll i'm calling always with 9's

On the 2nd hand on a freeroll i rather shove than raise pre. On a regular MTT i rather just raise, even though shoving is just fine with TT (the better the hand the best the raise is, so with JJ i like shoving less, with QQ i think shoving is bad)

I check the turn also, super heavy flop, hits a lots of their ranges. like the large bet on river


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