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cpers
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cpers
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No Initiative IP/OOP:
- I lost big time here, it tells me how important having an initiative is.
- Since not having an initiative is like having a disadvantage, losing here could probably pretty average. But I think I should at least aim to win when IP first, and try to fix OOP after that.
- Looking at IP/OOP graphs, I kind of wonder that having psychological advantage (Initiative) are more important than having positional advantage (IP/OOP).
- I played bad when playing from OOP.

Conclusion:
- I should play aggressively with strong made hand/monster draw only and play for pot control with the rest.

Question:
- Psychological Advantage(Initiative) > Positional Advantage(IP/OOP), do you agree with this?
- What do you think I should do to play from OOP profitably, especially when having no initiative like this?

Graph:

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No Initiative

No Initiative - IP

No Initiative - OOP


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cpers
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Most of the hand in the evaluation forum are NL5/NL10, is it a mistake if I take your advice on these hand and implement it on NL2?


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veriz
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- Psychological Advantage(Initiative) > Positional Advantage(IP/OOP), do you agree with this?

IP -> PROFIT, OOP usually hard and difficult to play, people float more often. OOP you rather have to know the opponent. :)

- What do you think I should do to play from OOP profitably, especially when having no initiative like this?

Depends a lot on your postflop skills and many other factors.

Most of the hand in the evaluation forum are NL5/NL10, is it a mistake if I take your advice on these hand and implement it on NL2?

Why not? Just if you implement them correctly then they can work on any limit. :P Of course we would change some thing on higher limits and maybe change some on smaller limits but the default lines are still the same for NL2 & NL10.


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cpers
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Originally posted by veriz

- Psychological Advantage(Initiative) > Positional Advantage(IP/OOP), do you agree with this?

IP -> PROFIT, OOP usually hard and difficult to play, people float more often. OOP you rather have to know the opponent. :)
Yeah I understand this, but what I want to know is having initiative is more profitable than playing IP? At least with my previous playing style it is.

Graphs:

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Initiative - OOP on FLOP

No Initiative - IP

As you can see I could still play profitably while having initiative(OOP), but not profitably at all when playing without initiative even IP. Is this normal? Or it has anything to do with my playing style?


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veriz
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Yeah I understand this, but what I want to know is having initiative is more profitable than playing IP? At least with my previous playing style it is.

Yeah, of course it's more profitable to have the initiative. :) You are the aggressor and are representing a strong hand, if he doesn't have a hand he is giving up.

I wouldn't say it's normal. :) Since you should be still able to win some money if even passive. Most likely you just overplaying some kind of pair/2pair type of hands and maybe even strong made hands.


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I have some question regarding AF and AF%.
AF = (raises + bets) / calls
AF % = (raises + bets) / (calls + folds + bets + raises)

I know those two are similar but are completely different but recently I found out that it's not similar at all. On one table I got AF 7~14 but if I check it's AF% it's only 40-50% even though I don't think I play that aggressive, at least I fold a lot on the flop. Maybe this is the reason, because AF doesn't count fold in their calculation.

So my question to you is which one should I use? Should I use them both, and get the overall feeling with those two stats? Or should I use them separately depend on the situation?


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cpers
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veriz
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I would use AF cause it's the easiest to use, you can always click on the pop-up HUD and take a look at the AF% there. :)


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i will be taking the time to read most of ur blog tonight, when i get more time. and I like the idea of posting links to ur previous hand evaluations. I will also be doing some mining of my hand evals tonight and posting them in my locker for easy access to any ppl that enjoy reading them :)


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cpers
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Originally posted by ilovemagic
i will be taking the time to read most of ur blog tonight, when i get more time. and I like the idea of posting links to ur previous hand evaluations. I will also be doing some mining of my hand evals tonight and posting them in my locker for easy access to any ppl that enjoy reading them :)
I post links to my hand because we're supposed to do that. at least that's what I thought.

From How to use this board
3) Post your homework
This is the place you will be posting the results of your homework in. Simply copy-paste the questions from the lesson in a new post, and post your answers. When you have to post a hand for evaluation, or you have evaluated somebody else's hand, you do it in the Handevaluation Forums. Once you do that, simply post a link to that thread/post in your Private Learning Thread in the Locker Room. This is to ensure that the coaches will have all the information in one place, and don't have to go looking for it.

Although I probably misunderstood this. I think what he meant is just the homework hand. :f_biggrin: But since it's more organized, I keep doing it.


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nope, you understood well. it actually states that they want all ur info in one place. keep doing that :)


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