deviating from sss

    • acerd123
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      hi i know we are told not to deviate from sss but i wonder if this instance is an exeption if i am in late position with mid pair say 55 66 77 or suited connectors and no one has raised can i not limp in and see if i make my set or even raise and see if i can pick up the blind calls something ive done with good success b4 learning sss then if im called set made all in no set fold, could this not be profitable long term i dont know but it has worked a lot for me in the past only on low limit tables though 2c/4c 5c/10c
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    • xylere
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      well, first of all - forget about limping suited connectors at this point, since you are likely not good enough postflop to play them correctly...
      with pockets - you can limp from late if you have at least two limpers before you, for set value.

      Open raising with pockets... I don`t know, i am doing it on NL 200, but i also won`t suggest it to you, since you don`t really need to steal on lower limits... simply beacuse blinds will call you with overcards most of the time, so most you can get is coinflip...

      So stick to the safe SSS before you gain enough experience and climb the limits...
    • acerd123
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      ok theoretical hand im in late position with 55 nl5c/10 no raise i limp in sb calls bb checks 6 callers in all (i know it seems unlikely but it does happen in low limits no raise out of 6 callers, anyway i make my set p1checks,p2 bets10c p3raises to 30c do iraise or push all in assuming i have say $2.50 stack pot is currently only $1 advice is much appreciated
    • xylere
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      given your limit - you push ! don`t try to slowplay your set against five opponents, especially if the board is drawy, like 5h 6h 8s or smthing like this. On your limit opponents are likely to pay off holding overpair, draw, top pair, some of them even holding any two...

      Look, I might be wrong, but I had a feeling that you are seaching for the ways how to outperform your opponents. I guess in this case you need to remeber one thing - you can`t outperform opponent, who has no idea what he is doing himslef...(NL 10$ is full of such players)

      So play your cards, not opponents:
      if you have made hand - bet/rise for value
    • acerd123
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      thx im not searching just learning so i wont be one of those who hasnt got a clue what there doing anymore ive watched people go all in and get paid off a lot but when i do it i rarely get paid off even in 5c/10c i dont know maybe i become too predictable.
    • xylere
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      It`s good that you are thinking about the game, good for you in the first case... But just try to avoid mistakes beginners are likely to do...

      And no, I don`t think you are predictable... i climbed 5 limits with SSS and I didn`t feel like that... The same players were repeating the same mistakes CONSTANTLY... I mean there might be some players, who noticed your play, but you are not playing Heads up! believe me, 80% of the table still have no idea of what you are doing..

      I mean, take your time and study basics...

      ive watched people go all in and get paid off a lot but when i do it i rarely get paid off even in 5c/10c i dont know maybe i become too predictable.


      its likely to be your illusion... Keep playing your cards and don`t make too much conclusions out of short term results... and the fortune will be on your side)

      If you have any concerns - take advantage of sample hands forum and post your hands! It will boost your game quality in no time !
    • ManniXXX
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      I wouldn't limp anything at all with SSS, it's probably always gonna be wrong. Pocket pairs can't be called for set value, your playing them to win, try to remember that.

      On the button I would try to steal with 66, 55 maybe 44 and hope for a low flop if you get called. Although if your playing at party it won't be nessecary at the lower limits as has already been mentioned.
    • acerd123
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      at risk of sounding completely dumb could someone explain some of these terms i keep seeing i dont know what they mean.

      utg, utg+1,hero,on the button. thx
    • xylere
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      Originally posted by ManniXXX
      I wouldn't limp anything at all with SSS, it's probably always gonna be wrong. Pocket pairs can't be called for set value, your playing them to win, try to remember that.
      ManniXXX, you are wrong here... pockets can be called for set value, according to BSS call 15 rule. You can`t call the raise with pockets, because you stack is smaller then 15 x raise ammount... but you can limp for set value, since your stack is likely bigger than 15x1BB = 15BB... so you can limp them from late without any doubts for set value, if there are 2 or more limpers before you.
    • xylere
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      Originally posted by acerd123
      at risk of sounding completely dumb could someone explain some of these terms i keep seeing i dont know what they mean.

      utg, utg+1,hero,on the button. thx
      UTG - under the gun - first position after BB, first to act on flop
      UTG +1 - next position after UTG
      BUTTON - dealer`s position

      http://www.pokerstrategy.com/strategy/no-limit/216/2/ check here

      first three seats after the blinds are UTG, UTG+1, UTG+2 --- early position
      then MP1(Middle position), MP2, MP3 --- middle position
      then Cutoff and Button - late position..

      HERO is a substitute for your nickname used by hand converters... If you want to post a hand on forum, you have to convert it first and converter will substitute your screename with HERO and all other players screen names with their positions (UTG, MP, etc)
    • acerd123
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      thx uv been very helpful with all my questions
    • acerd123
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      just one more thing im uncertain that sss will work in 2/4c or 5/10c as people will call most anything as previously mentioned can this still be profitable with all the crazy badbeats
    • xylere
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      Originally posted by acerd123
      just one more thing im uncertain that sss will work in 2/4c or 5/10c as people will call most anything as previously mentioned can this still be profitable with all the crazy badbeats
      well, I guess you will have an answer to this question if you ask yourself: with what cards you want your opponents to call you?
      I choose "anything", instead of premium cards, where I am only slight favourite and sometimes even underdog...

      Don`t doubt it) I know at least 20 people who have beaten NL 10 SSS, including me) I guess in reality there are hundreds of them)

      Yes, you will be outdrawn a lot, but as I keep repeating: you can`t hide from beeing outdrawn and bad beated, simply because you will be holding the best hands most of the time... and you can be outdrawn ONLY when you are holding the best hand...
    • chenny8888
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      at least in theory, beating people who call any two is simple. you pick hands that will be better than theirs, and bet for value (ie bet when you have a better hand to get more money into the pot).

      In reality a couple of things happen:

      bad hands can win! you may see your good hands beaten by bad hands and deduce that:

      a. i should play more hands because they could win as well.
      b. these players are so bad, i should play more hands because i can outplay my opponents postflop.
      c. if they are so bad i can play higher limits because i'll still be better than my opponents to make it worth it.

      however:

      a. playing worse hands will be unprofitable if they call any two.
      b. you can't do anything tricky, or make any bluffs if they call any two.
      c. there is still some luck involved in poker and the moment your luck turns sour you'll go broke.

      therefore:

      a. stick to the starting hand chart for SSS.
      b. if your opponents are really bad, bet for value! and only for value!
      c. stick to the bankroll management rules!

      basically, do not be results orientated!!


      by the way, SSS is perhaps the only strategy profitable on really low limits
    • aciddrop
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      Originally posted by chenny8888
      by the way, SSS is perhaps the only strategy profitable on really low limits
      That is debatable. I think that by the time a beginner becomes ready for BSS, they have already moved beyond the micro limits. Therefore, SSS will have taken them away from the possibility of playing BSS at those limits.

      If you ever find yourself with little money on a site, and you are experienced, I think you'll find the BSS at NL5 is highly +ev.
    • ManniXXX
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      Originally posted by xylere
      Originally posted by ManniXXX
      I wouldn't limp anything at all with SSS, it's probably always gonna be wrong. Pocket pairs can't be called for set value, your playing them to win, try to remember that.
      ManniXXX, you are wrong here... pockets can be called for set value, according to BSS call 15 rule. You can`t call the raise with pockets, because you stack is smaller then 15 x raise ammount... but you can limp for set value, since your stack is likely bigger than 15x1BB = 15BB... so you can limp them from late without any doubts for set value, if there are 2 or more limpers before you.
      I'd never thought of it like that. I was thinking in super tight mode and trying to make sure I don't fall below 15 BBs but this makes sense. You'd just have to pray the blinds don't raise. :P
    • xylere
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      I'd never thought of it like that. I was thinking in super tight mode and trying to make sure I don't fall below 15 BBs but this makes sense. You'd just have to pray the blinds don't raise. :P
      well, this is not something I came up with)) its commom knowledge)) I heard it on one of the trainings I visited)
    • ManniXXX
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      I know I just hadn't realised it could be implemented into the SSS.
    • acerd123
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      hi all thx for replies i got my money played a few tables with good success then i was faced with the exact position the thread was origanally about im in the small blind with 33 nobody raised so i limped in bb checked made set on flop and dragged 3 people all in and made 4 of a kind lucky i know but proved the point that it is worth limping from late for value, later on pacific i got what can only be described as the perfect hand pocket aces in the bb 4 players already all in b4 it got to me and utg dragged all in after and my $2.50 became $12 in one hand amazing, but then it all went wrong back on mansion in the small blind with As Js mp 1 all in (Ks 2s) evr1 else folds i raised all in evry1 after folds flop k22 turn ace river 2, i know i should have folded but i didnt and i suffered a bad beat but it put me on tilt so i went to casino instead and lost all my bankroll on slots, i was gonna regroup and redeposit and get back on strategy and my computer blew up now i have to wait until jan to get a new 1
    • naomisurvey
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      getting 4 of a kind doesn't prove its worth limping on sb- you got lucky!

      my only problem with sss is i don't know what to do if i have to bet on the flop against 1 player and i have trash, then they raise me. say i had $2.40 on flop. pot size: $1.90. so i bet $1 (around 2/3 pot) and the other player raises. i now have $1,40, so the pot is way bigger than my stack. do i fold, or go all in?
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