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[Closed] NL100 AKo tp vs unk oop - weak line

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Tim64
Joined: 03.11.2008

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $1(BB) Replayer
SB ($280)
BB ($192)
UTG ($49.75)
Hero ($324)
CO ($129)
BTN ($194)

Dealt to Hero A♦ K♠

fold, Hero raises to $3.50, CO calls $3.50, fold, fold, fold

FLOP ($8.50) 6♦ A♣ 7♦

Hero checks, CO bets $6, Hero calls $6

TURN ($20.50) 6♦ A♣ 7♦ 8♦

Hero checks, CO bets $15, Hero calls $15

RIVER ($50.50) 6♦ A♣ 7♦ 8♦ 2♥

Hero checks, CO bets $36, Hero calls $36

villain is completely unknown -- two hands
I am pretty sure this is a horrible line. I sometimes feel like it's impossible to get value from worse on this kind of board...

Turn is kind of ugly, but problem is we don't know if it helps villain's hand or not since we didn't obtain any information by cbetting :rolleyes:

River is a blank, not sure whether we can profitably bluff catch any longer.


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Bierbaer
Joined: 27.05.2005

Originally posted by Tim64
Turn is kind of ugly, but problem is we don't know if it helps villain's hand or not since we didn't obtain any information by cbetting :rolleyes:
I'd definitely bet the turn for value. There are a lot of worse Ax in his range that we can get value from. It might seem to be ugly once he raises, but I think unless he makes it very small we can just comfortably fold because he's almost never bluffing and vs a flush we don't have the equity to call.

River is a blank, not sure whether we can profitably bluff catch any longer.

I don't think so. Maybe he'd even bet something like AQ sometimes, but I think there are so many more combinations of flushes and 2pairs/sets in his range that we cannot c/c.

Also he's somewhat unlikely to be on a float as he called an A high flop vs our (presumably strong) MP-range.


Tim64
Joined: 03.11.2008

Hey Phil,

I didnt cbet here (a mistake i think, as i said) but I think this affects his range somewhat? could you check again re your comment:

Also he's somewhat unlikely to be on a float as he called an A high flop vs our (presumably strong) MP-range.


Bierbaer
Joined: 27.05.2005

Originally posted by Tim64
Hey Phil,

I didnt cbet here (a mistake i think, as i said) but I think this affects his range somewhat? could you check again re your comment:

Also he's somewhat unlikely to be on a float as he called an A high flop vs our (presumably strong) MP-range.

Ah, sure, sorry.

Once we c/c the flop I think as you say his range is a lot wider, he can (and should) bet any2.
On the turn I'm not sure if this still holds true because we showed him we have some kind of SD-value, but of course our range should look weak to him, so he might very well continue bluffing - probably even valuebetting worse Ax.
So as played on the river I think therefore we have to call. We played the hand for bluffinduce so c/c is the only option imo (I don't think we can get value by checkraising as he's just gonna fold all worse hands).


Tim64
Joined: 03.11.2008

Perfect - thanks.

It only remains to ask what you think of ch/c on the flop as preflop aggressor?

Finally, villain had 77 for flopped set. Vs flop raise I probably lose less if I always cbet/fold this flop than ch/c 3 streets.

Bet/fold flop can't ever be that bad on nl100 vs unk but on this drawy a flop I wonder if it would be a big mistake to get it in on the flop (probably)?

thx


Bierbaer
Joined: 27.05.2005

Ah sorry, should've gone into the c/c in the first post.
I think it's generally possible to c/c the flop, but I would usually not do it as long as the opponent didn't give me a reason to do it (for example if he raises a lot of hands we might want to have a balanced c/calling-range so we can c/c medium strength hands as well).

Not sure if I would just fold against a flopraise. Since 77 and 66 are the only hands we're afraid of and he could even raise AQ for value I think it's pretty close.
On NL200 people are in general raising aggressively enough to continue with AK here, not sure if this holds true on NL100 as well.