[Closed] A8o bubble fold with 2BB

even if the big stack there pushes any two it is profitable to only call AKo maybe AQo

call.

we can take a negative edge as the short stack. this is a great spot to call against a wide range getting good odds with a strong hand.

yes it will be -ev. but with 2bbs we can take some negative edges. this is one of those situations

Originally posted by lessthanthreee
call.

we can take a negative edge as the short stack. this is a great spot to call against a wide range getting good odds with a strong hand.

yes it will be -ev. but with 2bbs we can take some negative edges. this is one of those situations

can you explain what do you mean about negative edge?I thing because we are in the bubble vs 2 shortstackers we should have 65+% equity against his range.So even if he shoves any two we have only 58% equity.Is my thought wrong?And i would like to explain what do you mean about negative edges

the ICM model will over-estimate the value of a short stack on future hands. our 1k chips will also lose a lot of value because we will be hitting the blinds again in 2 hands (ICM does not take into account future hands). and next hand we shove into the BS with zero FE.

so we can take a negative edge (call with less equity than the ICM dictates with this specific scenario) because we should not treat this hand in a vacuum. we need to look at how bad our situation is next hand and the hand after that. and we discover that it gets worse and worse. so the ICM over-values our equity on future hands if we fold which means we call more.

pzhon has a video on the ICM model which explains this further

yes yes i agree that you have to look the big picture,i understand what you mean

Yeah, had a feeling i missed a call there. What range would you call there with, Chris?

Originally posted by savage1981
Yeah, had a feeling i missed a call there. What range would you call there with, Chris?

A8o would be the bottom.