[NL2-NL10] NL25 Rush Street on river

    • RandomGenerator
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      Stats. Hands/VPIP/PFR/AF/WTS = 60/23/14/0,4/38.

      It was defenitely the fold on the river, right?

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      Dealt to Hero Q:heart: K:diamond:

      fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.75, fold, fold, fold, BB calls $0.50

      FLOP ($1.60) 3:spade: Q:spade: A:diamond:

      BB checks, Hero bets $1, BB calls $1

      TURN ($3.60) 3:spade: Q:spade: A:diamond: T:spade:

      BB checks, Hero bets $2, BB calls $2

      RIVER ($7.60) 3:spade: Q:spade: A:diamond: T:spade: J:club:

      BB bets $7.60, Hero calls $7.15 (AI)
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    • Gerv
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      Hey RG,

      May I know the reason you bet the Turn versus a 23/14 player?


      Best regards,
      Gerv
    • RandomGenerator
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      Well, I thought since he just called on the button without position and just called on flop - he definetely has something but usually it's not the ace.
      So in fact pretty often I have the best hand here, so I bet for value.

      Since I may have the best hand here I don't want to just give up. Check behind and call on the river is not a very good option here since he may bet about a pot and I don't want to call this much with my hand and also there are really a lot of scary cards for me may come on the river. So i prefer to bet on the turn and fold to a raise. Or fold to almost any bet on the river if I'm called again on the turn.

      Also since there are already possible flash and straight on the turn I can actually even bluff out a stronger hand.

      So I think the main reason I bet the turn is that I didn't want to give up with the best hand. The bet would tell me where I am right now. Do you think that against his range I should just give up?
    • Gerv
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      No I think I disagree here

      He either calls with a flushdraw on the Flop or an Ace. Since you have a Queen it is unlikely he can call with a queen. I don't think he will call the flopbet with 6:h5 here

      so I found the turnbet purely spewing and -EV so I just check/back the Turn

      Best regards,
      Gerv
    • RandomGenerator
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      okay. in the same situation if I check behind the turn and he shoves on the river again. Should I call?
    • Gerv
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      Originally posted by RandomGenerator
      okay. in the same situation if I check behind the turn and he shoves on the river again. Should I call?
      On that specific card? With what kind of range would you think he will shove on the River?
    • Gerv
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      Can you please reply so I can judge this accordingly :) Thanks!
    • RandomGenerator
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      Actually, I have no idea. Since I check behind the turn his shove is much larger than the pot and it is pretty stupid to shove the nut flush this way since it is very unprobable that I will call it.
      I don't think that a desperate bluff may also have this bet size. So I have no idea with which hand may he shove on the river. probably only a nut flush.


      may I know what do you think of his river shove range?
    • Gerv
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      Well I think it is not 1pair, 2pair and set hands so his range is indeed polarized BUT the value hands (flushes) are betting 100% of the time while bluffs have reduced frequency and also have different sizing (eg. some fish bluffbet 10% for example, some shove, some bet 50% as ;) )


      so I just fold on his shove mostly but I can't blame you for calling
      ofcourse this statement is void if you have reads/tells/statistics telling you that he is always bluffing the river which makes it profitable for you to call becaues you get 2:1

      Best regards,
      Gerv
    • RandomGenerator
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      wow. he indeed had pocket jacks. can you please explain how did you determine that he will shove with the set in this situation?

      because on his place I'd probably play check/call with the set in such situation or maybe try to put a small block bet.
    • Gerv
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      I think he isn't shoving a set here because he hardly has one (33 would c/R) so I think you read my statement too quickly :)

      If he has a set played like this, i think its horribly played :)

      Best regards,
      Gerv