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kiromanAAKK
Joined: 08.10.2009

So sorry Guys but I cannot convert this hand anywhere as the format is unsurpotted by all the converter in my possession. Many apolgy about it!

I am not sure about this hand as I was still tilting from a previous hand where I (AQo) was bust by villian (KJs) on a flop Ace high but with two suited for villian, I shoved and the Turn told us that Im a donk!

Btw, Im still steaming as I was very close (only 13 or maybe 14 players left) to win a seat for my first very important live event.

Anyway, this is the hand:

(NO_LIMIT TEXAS_HOLDEM 100/200, ante: 20, Chips)
Button: seat 2
Players in round: 7
Seat 1: The Kowboy (3060)
Seat 2: kir0m4n (4490)
Seat 3: Razor 61 (13940)
Seat 5: pko10 (4309)
Seat 7: morlspin12 (3050)
Seat 8: spursar5th (4490)
Seat 9: leabow (9320)
Razor 61 posts ante 20
pko10 posts ante 20
morlspin12 posts ante 20
spursar5th posts ante 20
leabow posts ante 20
The Kowboy posts ante 20
kir0m4n posts ante 20
Razor 61 posts small blind (100)
pko10 posts big blind (200)
---
Dealing pocket cards
Dealing to kir0m4n: [Qs, As]
morlspin12 folds
spursar5th folds
leabow folds
The Kowboy folds
kir0m4n raises 600 to 600
Razor 61 raises 1300 to 1400
pko10 folds
kir0m4n calls 800
--- Dealing flop [Ac, 3s, Kd]
Razor 61 checks
kir0m4n bets 3070 [all in]
Razor 61 calls 3070
--- Dealing turn [Tc]
--- Dealing river [3h]

I felt to deep to shove pre-flop but the plan was to shove any flop (Is it possible he can have just AK? I thougth ...)

How I should play this hand?
Thanks


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kiromanAAKK
Joined: 08.10.2009

Looks fine to me, if he had KK, AK or 3bet 33 there is nothing you could do really.

I might be quite wrong but I don't see it as a fold pre at that point, and shoving pre is not quite good as well because not much FE I think (unless, and only maybe, if SB was 3betting too light before).

Postflop as well seems ok, even though I'm not sure about a check behind. It is a bit weird he didn't cbet on that board (and considering his stack), and checking back *could* be an option to induce a bluff on turn from underpairs or such. The thing is, on that flop of course he is not folding better, but he could very well call with AJ, AT, and might even call with JJ, QQ.

But if you check behind and he has a monster he will bet turn/river anyway, and I don't see how hero could fold at all there.

Those are my 2c


veriz
Joined: 20.07.2008

You can get the hand history from the same spot you converted the hand for replayer.

Hand Information
, 200 BB (7 handed).
Hand History converter courtesy of pokerhandreplays.com

Table Information
Seat: 1 the kowboy ($3060)
Seat: 2 kir0m4n ($4490) Dealer
Seat: 3 razor 61 ($13940) Small Blind
Seat: 5 pko10 ($4309) Big Blind
Seat: 7 morlspin12 ($3050)
Seat: 8 spursar5th ($4490)
Seat: 9 leabow ($9320)
Dealt to kir0m4n
Q♠: A♠:

Preflop (Pot:300)
morlspin12 FOLD
spursar5th FOLD
leabow FOLD
the kowboy FOLD
kir0m4n RAISE $600
razor 61 RAISE $1400
pko10 FOLD
kir0m4n CALL $800

Flop(Pot: $3100)
A♣: 3♠: K♦:

razor 61 CHECK
kir0m4n ALL-IN
razor 61 CALL $3070

Turn(Pot: $9260)
A♣: 3♠: K♦: T♣:

River(Pot: $9260)
A♣: 3♠: K♦: T♣: 3♥:

Showdown:
kir0m4n MUCKS

razor 61 MUCKS

razor 61 wins the pot: $9260

About the hand:
Preflop: Depends a lot how was the previous actions? Did you steal him earlier or did you have any fights? Is it possible that he is doing the 3bet loose or not? Or was he rather nitty/tight player? According to that I act accordingly. If he is doing the 3bet loose then I would just ship it directly here but if rather passive player then I might even just fold it since we can't do the Call that profitable being OOP and as well if we even do hit we can't be sure that he is going to pay us.

As played
Postflop: Doesn't make sense to over-shove it here. He will have hard time calling with a lot worse. I would likely just Check behind and start betting on turn which will look a lot weaker and we might get called from some weaker pairs even.


Tiltberger
Joined: 23.06.2005

ok -> first of 450 or 500 is enough preflop. then you can give him a chance to 3bet you with some airtype of hands as well and you have the stacksize to 4bet shove with a minimum of fe.

a ground rule in satellites: call tight - shove lose -> so he has the hard time calling us.

as played i check the flop behind. why?

1, you want to induce bluffs
2, board is dry, you don't really need to protect your hand
3, against ax you get it in anyways

so you would get more value on later streets by checking that board behind.

an alternative line postflop would be a shove with your m from 8,x which is def. never wrong here!


Originally posted by seeberger

a ground rule in satellites: call tight - shove lose -> so he has the hard time calling us.

I'm going to play a somewhat important satellite tomorrow, it's the last step for a live event. It's a rebuy+ao satellite; the buy-in is not cheap for me but I made it in through a lower step satellite.

Do you think this rule call tight/shove lose applies to any satellite?

Considering the more expensive buy-in I was not really going for the shove lose kind of strategy. Plus I *hate* rebuy tournaments.


Tiltberger
Joined: 23.06.2005

from the start its not the best idea to play satellites for rebuy tourneys when you don't have the bankroll to take multiple rebuys + addon. and generally pushing lose (against players that you have covered) + calling tight if it affects your stack too much is a pretty general rule for all qualifyers.


Originally posted by seeberger
from the start its not the best idea to play satellites for rebuy tourneys when you don't have the bankroll to take multiple rebuys + addon. and generally pushing lose (against players that you have covered) + calling tight if it affects your stack too much is a pretty general rule for all qualifyers.

Thank you.

Yeah, I know it wasn't the brightest idea in the first place, but I had nothing better to do, the first qualifier was cheap (r+a as well but I didn't have to rebuy, and wouldn't if I had got busted). And the tournament is in a place I really want to travel to, so it sounded like a good opportunity, haha. It was just for the fun.

But yeah, now that I got to last step I don't have the BR to rebuy at all... I have roughly 12xBI, which is nothing for MTTs. But I will pay for the addon, which I am counting on of course (not much sense in playing it without adding on imo).

Anyway, sorry for deviating from topic. :f_rolleyes: