T8s 30$ 6m

    • PetChoveka
      PetChoveka
      Black
      Joined: 14.02.2010 Posts: 5,749
      SB is 41/9/3.7 with 40% postflop agg and 43% fold to cbet for 71 hands filtered



      Grabbed by Holdem Manager
      NL Holdem $50(BB) Replayer
      SB ($1,115)
      BB ($1,180)
      UTG ($2,995)
      CO ($1,530)
      Hero ($2,180)

      Dealt to Hero T:heart: 8:heart:

      fold, fold, Hero raises to $112, SB calls $87, fold

      FLOP ($274) 8:club: 2:club: 6:spade:

      SB bets $100, Hero raises to $235, SB raises to $550, Hero folds

      SB wins $744

      So what should the right play bere be? I think there are some draws here and i want to protect, when he b/r i think he can do it with draws or sometimes with only overs or don`t know what. I think fold is ok after his 3bet here, what do u think?
  • 7 replies
    • PetChoveka
      PetChoveka
      Black
      Joined: 14.02.2010 Posts: 5,749
      agh if someone can move the thread to the evaluating forum pls
    • pzhon
      pzhon
      Bronze
      Joined: 17.06.2010 Posts: 1,151
      Normally, small donk bets tend to be weak, but a small bet followed by a 3-bet is unbalanced to be very strong. However, your raise was so small that it's hard to interpret the 3-bet.
    • PetChoveka
      PetChoveka
      Black
      Joined: 14.02.2010 Posts: 5,749
      So what raise size u recomend here? Like 285 or something like that? Not sure how to size this kind of raises good enough
    • pzhon
      pzhon
      Bronze
      Joined: 17.06.2010 Posts: 1,151
      If you had called, the pot would be 474. Raising to 235 was like a bet of 135 into a pot of 474. I usually raise at least half-pot if I raise, which would be 237 on top of the 100, or a raise to 337.
    • PetChoveka
      PetChoveka
      Black
      Joined: 14.02.2010 Posts: 5,749
      So here i`ve to raise bigger and fold to a 3bet? I think if villian is capable of beting the flop with draw he`ll be ok to go broke with it, but the problem is that there are lots of better hands he`s posible to hold. I don`t think that he`ll bet/call ever here, so i`m basicly turning my hand into bluff here or? Rly i`m not sure what is the best play in this spot, what u think is the optimal way and if u can tell why would be great :)
    • pzhon
      pzhon
      Bronze
      Joined: 17.06.2010 Posts: 1,151
      Our reads differ sharply. It sounds like you feel he is capable of betting and then shoving with a wide range including many draws. In my experience, a small bet followed by a 3-bet over a substantial raise is an unbalanced line which usually means a very strong hand. If you spell out what range you think each action means, and how he will react to a call, then we can work out a good line, but it doesn't make sense to talk about optimal lines if we have wildy differing reads.

      Do you think the donk bet of 100 into the pot of 274 is strong or weak?
    • elfigus
      elfigus
      Black
      Joined: 12.08.2008 Posts: 7,201
      you have to make a bigger raise otherwise he can think you just want to kick him out of the hand bluffing.

      /raise 320 and fold to his push, I think he will not shove something less than TT/JJ, K9 A9 or at least a strong draw with 2 overcards so we can easily fold