The Weekly Freebie 22/02: "You can't win if you fold" - PART 2

    • EuanM
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      Hey folks,

      Weekly Freebie: You Can't Win If You Fold, Part 2 NEWS!

      Patrick & Callum take to the PokerStrategy.com Recording Room in Gibraltar for the purposes of creating their début series. They briefly discuss and give their thoughts on certain poker topics, in this instance - The differences between live & on-line poker, a subject which both players have a great deal of experience.

      Patrick & Callum work here in Gibraltar for the PS.com Marketing Analysis team and try to fit their poker careers around a full-time position of employment. With this video series, they aim to get more involved in our community to kick-start their 2012 with some fantastic theory subjects & hand analysis among other things in a short and sweet, easily digestible format.


      Now, after the first part of their debut series, you can listen in to Patrick & Callums thoughts about the plays made when looking at the differences in live & online poker, as they take time out of their day for the purposes of theory analysis in the video they have created for us:





      Let us know what you think about the video! What are the main factors a players needs to consider when switching from online to live poker & vice versa?
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    • pleno1
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      Hope you enjoy..

      Notes from me


      - We want to keep the videos short (around 10 minutes) so apologies if speaking too fast

      - Our 3bet in live games can be even wider, fine to be 50% vs the right opponents that we spoke about in game

      - Important to really understand we can 3bfold huge value hands, 10's/AQ
    • TurnitAce
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      One thing that i do not agree is you 3beting range. You sad we can 3 bet and play IP with ATs,AQ etc, but in life play players will call their KQo on will push on a 572r, what will you do then?
      I personally play the strict TAG, play for value,IP and 3 bet the top 3-4% (standars).Of course i 3 bet 67s but that is with the opponent.
      But anyway, keep the videos coming about life play, also some MTT strategy and tells.
    • pleno1
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      Originally posted by TurnitAce
      One thing that i do not agree is you 3beting range. You sad we can 3 bet and play IP with ATs,AQ etc, but in life play players will call their KQo on will push on a 572r, what will you do then?
      I personally play the strict TAG, play for value,IP and 3 bet the top 3-4% (standars).Of course i 3 bet 67s but that is with the opponent.
      But anyway, keep the videos coming about life play, also some MTT strategy and tells.
      Hey TurnitAce,

      From my experience

      Originally posted by TurnitAce
      call their KQo on will push on a 572r, what will you do then?
      This does not happen very often, I often see people playing face up and check folding way too often, as I speak about in the video, I don't think players make good adjustments and 4bet pre or satrt check raising flops and/or rivers. Anyway as we do in any form of poker we adjust to villains, of course not every villain plays exactly the same and some will make different plays, but generally I see people playing VERY stubborn pre flop but very fit or fold post flop meaning we should 3bet super wide vs them for immediate value.

      Also most live games are going to be played deeper. Even if we aren't playing deep lets look at the AQ hand..


      Lets say we both have stacks of 500, he opens 15, i 3bet to 45. Flop is 257, he checks, I bet 65, I think its very unrealistic and uncommon to see players just randomly going all in for 455 here. Perhaps you are playing in games with lots of short stack villains?? If this is the case then obviously 3betting and playing pots with villains with a VERY SMALL POT TO STACK RATIO is going to be bad.

      As I mentioned in the video, I don't see many players taking the 3betting line, but I see almost every winner taking the isolating line. I was speaking to a friend who plays the very high stakes games in Macau and built up his roll from playing NL200 in the casino and he told me that he really liked the video and it was in fact the main difference between good and very very good regs in live games.

      Remember, the fish aren't going to be there forever, we get dealt less hands per hour, we want to play as many pots as possible with that, calling k8o pre flop and playing a 6 way pot with dominated holdings isn't going to be a winning play, 3betting in position and isolating a weak player HU in position is going to be.
    • TurnitAce
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      You are right, the bad thing about live play(I play NL50 live) is that people still call.is like NL10 online. EP raise, 2 callers i 3bet from BTN and the raiser and caller still come along.
      Then you think, they have hands that want to see flops with, something like JTs,QJs,99,78s, and on a flop that you miss if very hard to play back. Of course you won't win every pot but on a bad night you find yourself in situations like this.
      Also you are right about live play being more softer. I have the same style of categorising players at the table, but the 30+ year old i put them in a "Gamblers category" .They call all suited A and K IP and OOP and they are very passive pre.