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andiofwbafc
Joined: 01.05.2012

First off apoligies if this is the wrong section & if it is could a mod move it please.

Secondly, I have no way to post the hand other than in a screenshot.

The scene.

Final table of a Bounty Pro freeroll at Poker770. 364 reduced to us 8. Bubble was the top 5.

I know it's not much use without stats for the table, but the player I was against lucked out on me a few minutes earlier. I perceived him as a tight player though.

My 2 main questions are.

Should I have shoved pre flop with my Pocket Jacks?

Did I have the correct odds (Flush draw) to call his bet on the turn?

Many thanks for any advice you can offer.


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stevegold87
Joined: 18.06.2009

I would shove pre, your M is around 10....
but then i might be result oriented


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bradomurder
Joined: 17.10.2008

I think shove is fine especially if you're still learning about odds and stuff postflop. otherwise your raise is probably better

if he's tight i fold on the turn, you definitely dont have odds to your flush, only call if he's loose enough to shove a whole lot of bluffs and flushdraws


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Targetme
Joined: 04.05.2009

shoving stack


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andiofwbafc
Joined: 01.05.2012

Thankyou all for your input.

Originally posted by bradomurder
I think shove is fine especially if you're still learning about odds and stuff postflop. otherwise your raise is probably better

if he's tight i fold on the turn, you definitely dont have odds to your flush, only call if he's loose enough to shove a whole lot of bluffs and flushdraws

Yes I am still learning about odds & that, there is so much information to absorb. I've started to stick religiously to the PS starting hands chart in these tournaments & I'm starting to see some positive results. Almost made the final table again last night in another MTT.


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Bzzz2906
Joined: 10.03.2010

With less than 15blinds, you shouldn't do anything else than shove, from every position.

Originally posted by andiofwbafc
I've started to stick religiously to the PS starting hands chart in these tournaments

Lol, don't do that.

Here, I would shove 20-30% of my range.


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with just over 13bb here im shoving with

AQo+, AQs+, 99+.

because its a freerole I would assume that he would be calling lighter then he should be and would probably still make the call with his a7o

when optimally he should only be calling your shove with

AQo+, AQs+, 99+.

The problem with min raising in these spots is when the big stack flats you and the flop comes with overcards, your going to be in a tricky spot.

Im new though so any criticism is greatly appreciated.


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Bzzz2906
Joined: 10.03.2010

Way too tight Kush9, you'll be eat by the blinds.


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Originally posted by Bzzz2906
Way too tight Kush9, you'll be eat by the blinds.

Hi appreciate the criticism. What range would you instead consider pushing here then? thanks for the advice appreciate it.


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Bzzz2906
Joined: 10.03.2010

At least 22+, A5s+, K9s+, QTs+, JTs, T9s, A9o+, KJo+, QJo.

With less than 15bb, you really need to shove when you can since you don't have any kind of Fold Equity when you 3bet so you are looking for hands with decent Equity when get called.


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Tiltberger
Joined: 23.06.2005

Originally posted by Bzzz2906
At least 22+, A5s+, K9s+, QTs+, JTs, T9s, A9o+, KJo+, QJo.

With less than 15bb, you really need to shove when you can since you don't have any kind of Fold Equity when you 3bet so you are looking for hands with decent Equity when get called.

you would shove this range here? against a shortstacked openraiser and in a freeroll where you won't see a lot of folds?
way to lose!

77+, kqs, aj+ imo in this spot!
a7 is a fold -> not a defend -> you could be already dominated!
greets


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Bzzz2906
Joined: 10.03.2010

Originally posted by Tiltberger

Originally posted by Bzzz2906
At least 22+, A5s+, K9s+, QTs+, JTs, T9s, A9o+, KJo+, QJo.

With less than 15bb, you really need to shove when you can since you don't have any kind of Fold Equity when you 3bet so you are looking for hands with decent Equity when get called.

you would shove this range here? against a shortstacked openraiser and in a freeroll where you won't see a lot of folds?
way to lose!

77+, kqs, aj+ imo in this spot!
a7 is a fold -> not a defend -> you could be already dominated!
greets

Don't know if it's you or me, but I tought Hero was JJ, not A7.

If Hero is JJ, i shove this range, if he's A7, i agree with your range :)


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Tiltberger
Joined: 23.06.2005

i don't really get this hh-format :f_love: :f_love: :f_love:


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rhinoneil
Joined: 16.04.2008

If you are new / inexperienced I would just stick to a general basic rule:

If you have less than 13BB maybe even less than 15BB, dont get fancy, just shove or fold.

Thats the first decision out of the way, then all you need to do is pick the right situation and range to shove.

This depends on position and previous action.

Again as a general rule, if there is any action before you then your range should be tighter, so maybe 88+, KQs, AQ.

You can use a similar range for open shoving from early position.

For HJ/CO onwards with no action you can shove lighter so maybe 55+, TJs+, QJ/KQ+

Once you get below 8/9 BB then you can loosen the range further and open shove maybe 78s+, J9+, 22+


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