QJs NL4 3handed - session review 27/06/12

Disagree with this being a good hand to call 3b. Yes you have position but don't see any weaker Qx or Jx in his 3b range so I see this as a reverse implied odds hand.

Since we called can't really fold tp. Especially with his high cb. River I'd nearly make it ~$1

we arent calling because there would be weaker hands in his 3bet range, we are calling preflop to see if we can flop a nice hand and get paid off. its only 6 more bb to possibly win 100bb from his stack. isnt that good enough odds that we hit our hand often enough?

i have different expectations of the hand in this case i think then you would. remember we are 3 handed as well and QJs value goes up especially because we know our opponent has a strong hand and is likely to pay off if we do hit flush or str8, 2 pair or trips in the long run. i think this is a case of implied odds , not reverse implied odds.

I could be wrong so we'll have to wait for Veriz opinion lol.

But my thinking was we hit a nice hand so rarely and we're not going to get paid off everytime we do. If we hit a straight it's going to be the nuts espec on a AKT board which smacks his range. But will he pay off it the board comes 89T? If we hit a flush we're most likely only getting action from Kxdd and Axdd which sucks. Again these senarios are unlikely.

So imo we're not getting the implied odds.

The other side is what hands do you see him 3b?

He has a lot of Ax/Kx hands so if an overcard comes we're x/f a lot. Then using this board as an example what worse Qx cards does he 3b with? If the bdsd doesn't hit we're calling 1/2/3 streets to get dominated by AQ/KQ or if the board was Jxx we're dominated by AJ/KJ. Not to mention overpairs or middle pp's that hit sets.

Hello ilovemagic,

Preflop: We ain't calling a 3bet to hit "a nice hand", cause you ain't going to play profitable here and plus you are very often dominated by better Jx/Qx hands. So I don't like either the Call.

As played
Postflop: Not much to comment.

Best Regards.

so what am i allowed to call a 3bet if he 3bets looser? say he was 3betting 15% then maybe we can call and see a flop?

Originally posted by ilovemagic
so what am i allowed to call a 3bet if he 3bets looser? say he was 3betting 15% then maybe we can call and see a flop?

Mate, if poker would be so easy everyone would play it profitable if he had such a chart to follow. It's not only about how often he 3bets it's also about how good you are understanding the opponent, what to do on specific boards, when to fight back and etc. Just to hope to know a hand which you can Call doesn't mean that you will play the hand profitable.

Poker ain't that easy as you imagine it being.

Thats why i play the game. But you put it into perspective for me. And noe you got me thinking again veriz!!! Thank you