60$ 9max bvb 98o

I usually would raise his limp preflop.

As played I like calling his cbet with the intention of folding a miss turn, or betting if he checks the turn. Ofc the Ah is a good scare card for him to bet, for good reasons :). No reason to make the call, a lot of rev implied odds if you hit something on river. Not to mention your ABC reg rarely double barrels with air here.

i agree with jax, raise it pre flop. Take a note if he limp/shoves.

flop is standard.

you are taking a pretty risky line here on the bubble. I can see your reasoning. I like that you pulled the trigger on the river, If I decided to go with the double float on the turn I would definitely shove river to this size. To me he will fold every 2 pair hand, every set, every straight and MAYBE even low flushes some % of the time.

I also think that if he had a big flush he would be more likely to bet river bigger.

The one concern I have is that you are the big stack, so he is going to be much tighter vs you with his barrels because he has less FE (stack leverage) and it hurts his EV a lot if he loses half his stack bluffing.

I would also need a lot more reads than just stats, just 'they are regs' is not good enough. Is he a good reg? Does he know this card is a good barrel? Is he more ABC ?

I agree with jax, if hes ABC just fold the turn because hes not going to barrel without value. If he is a high level thinking reg then I really love your line and I think you played it well.

Im going to pass this thread onto chenny and faarcyde to get some more opinions because I think its a really cool hand.

Think checking pre is also fine. I likely raise more junky hands like 73o that I'm happy to fold if he limp reraises.

As played, I am again tempted to grab the initiative on the flop by raising his stab.

I'm also wondering if we can raise the turn. It depends what level he's on. Many players who limped AX pre flop will check the turn now they have SDV, to induce vs your bluffs. Meaning their barrel range is really bluff heavy in which case a bluff raise with draws should be fine.

It's super hard to rep a really nutted hand on the river given the action (because most villains are check calling rather than betting here when they have some marginal Ax hand, so when he bets he should be pretty strong here).

I'd just give up on river most of the time, I think. This is a spot where good regs are expecting you to try to use the bubble to force them out off pots. And that makes them stubborn.

I like it a lot. He can't really have many flushes in his range with his bet sizing and you can have every flush combo. It also sort of looks impossible for you to NOT have a hand here so I think it gives a good amount of credence to the bluff.

Add in that you are risking about the size of the pot - let's say with ICM tax it needs to work 45 percent of the time - and the fact he still has ~2k left in his stack it means he is going to have a hard time calling here. I think his bluffing range increases when the turn/river go ace/queen because it makes your perceived range so much weaker since your flop call indicates some kind of low card connection.

This is 3 handed in 9max so it is already ITM. Well it is still "mini bubble" Did not want to raise preflop, because hand has decent postflop playability.

Damn, pretty annoying oversight by me and <3 re us already
being ITM. I like the whole hand much more now. I'm probably missing a trick, since I almost never do this kind of thing.

haha been playing 6max for too long. yeh this is the snap best line if you check pre and its already ITM. very WP IMO.

fwiw, raising pre is instantly profitable if he does not limp/shove

results for the lols ?

He used almost whole time, but folded in the end. Maybe he had 2pair+ or just wanted to make it look like tough fold.

A question- how would u play a 1 pair Qx in SB's shoes on this river?

Originally posted by kurrkabin
A question- how would u play a 1 pair Qx in SB's shoes on this river?

c/soulread

Originally posted by kurrkabin
A question- how would u play a 1 pair Qx in SB's shoes on this river?

check. tank. post hand here. wait for responses. hope timebank still running. fold.

I really like the entire hand as played. If I had Qx I would not give off betsizing tells (esp cause I check river).

Originally posted by Tim64

Originally posted by kurrkabin
A question- how would u play a 1 pair Qx in SB's shoes on this river?

check. tank. post hand here. wait for responses. hope timebank still running. fold.

And what hand do u put the guy on once he goes for a small river bet?

Also, how would u play weak 2 pair or 1 pair Ax combo on the riv?

Originally posted by kurrkabin

Originally posted by Tim64

Originally posted by kurrkabin
A question- how would u play a 1 pair Qx in SB's shoes on this river?

check. tank. post hand here. wait for responses. hope timebank still running. fold.

And what hand do u put the guy on once he goes for a small river bet?

Also, how would u play weak 2 pair or 1 pair Ax combo on the riv?

Feels like villain has to have 2pair to be valuebetting this river, esp. vs a good player who won't pay off light. Weak hands worse than above just have to check riv oop and hope villain is not capable of double floating a draw and shoving the river as a bluff. Which, sadly, he is.

im putting villain on 67/A7/A6/44/66/77

Honestly, I put villain on some sort of a weaker hand- like Qx. don't think many regs are able to fold a set, Ax 2 pair combo(not saying whether the should or shouldn't) + I think he bets more with these on either flop,turn or river. How do we make all this c/soul read thing when we happen to be in a situation like this super rarely?

Now it even comes to my mind that if we exclude Ax from BB's range(which is very likely), we also have to exclude, 58o(not sure if calling the flop) as these will be raising flop or turn to protect/get value.We exclude flopped straight- re-raise flop. Same with sets(the low pairs we raise pre or even if we don't we will re-raise him on either flop or turn). BB will never play Q6 like this on the river. No way. So only thing BB reps...is a flush. I believe, <3, said in a thread some weeks ago that he might be even re-raising turn with the low flushes. Not we give SB the right price. But for the sake of it, we have to admit some ppl would.

I just don't like c/f river with Q. Betting- a lot of you will judge as an overplay as nothing worse will call. But bb only reps flushes, cmoon. He might even re-raise those on the flop as it's likely he has an overcard to it + it's a limped pot, hence SB is weak! Especially, when we expect a decent-ish player to double barrel and we are gonna complete our flush like 18-20% of the time on the next street + I don't think many players will have the guts to call flop with low FDs and then ship turn over the reg's double barrel with a lot less equity in the hand. I also doubt that many regs in the BB will give the SB a credit for an Ax. It's just the most obvious double barrel card when we only rep draws(a good part of which are not flushes) + 4x, 6x.

remind me never to try bluff you kurri.

our bluff is REALLY REALLY bad if regs bet/call sets/2pairs

I don't say I would call. I just really think BB had a Qx or small 2 pair combo.

I think our bluff here succeed only because of villains river line. What happens when he bets 1/2 + pot. I think villain got really unlucky to hit a Qx on the river and didn't know what to do.

Cuz otherwise, given how the board went, it's a good spot for a 3-barrel. Yes, SB is a midstack, there is a mini-bubble risk aversion, but still. I don't think many ppl take this into consideration when playing 9-man 3-handed. We only rep flushes. If we c/f Qx here, as most of you would- I just think it's bad. I prefer to bet bigger and fold on a shove instead of c/f when BB could picked some pair + draw equity on the turn, like 4xQ or 6xQ :heart:, or 4xJ and is now turning it into a bluff, cuz cmon, what do we c/c on the river? Ax 1 pair or weak 2 pairs, sets? Would u guys do that w these hands?

By betting we turn our decent showdown value hand into a bluff and I agree it's not great. But I won't deduct at all the possibility of BB having some float,double float equity combos that he's might try to get us off on the riv. Not that many regs go for 3-barrel bluffs imo. Or maybe it's just me being ongamed by the level the regs there are. I also exclude a huge deal of Ax combos for the BB.

So, overall, I think that if we c/f Qx on the river, it's just not good. So betting is bad, c/c is bad. What is the best we can do?