[NL2-NL10] NL5 check behind or play for value?

    • farbwenz
      Joined: 01.01.2010 Posts: 359
      PartyGaming - $0.04 NL - Holdem - 8 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      Hero (BTN): $5.63
      SB: $4.04
      BB: $4.00
      UTG: $3.94
      UTG+1: $2.46
      MP: $4.00
      MP+1: $4.00
      CO: $0.93

      SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.04

      Pre Flop: (pot: $0.06) Hero has T:spade: J:spade:

      fold, UTG+1 raises to $0.12, MP calls $0.12, MP+1 calls $0.12, fold, Hero calls $0.12, fold, fold

      Flop: ($0.54, 4 players) 8:club: 5:heart: Q:heart:
      UTG+1 checks, MP bets $0.26, MP+1 calls $0.26, Hero calls $0.26, fold

      Turn: ($1.32, 3 players) 9:club:
      MP bets $0.94, MP+1 calls $0.94, Hero calls $0.94

      River: ($4.14, 3 players) Q:diamond:
      MP checks, MP+1 checks, Hero bets $2.62, MP raises to $2.68 and is all-in, fold, Hero calls $0.06

      i decided to limp with these hands, which should be fine (right?). As turn improves, I let my opponent bet, as he does not seem to be giving it up lightly. On the river, a queen will certainly call me, but full house also is not unlikely, 2pair and trips have improved and beat me. given that 2 players are involved should i check behind or ship it? the 2.62 was obviously stupid, I wanted to push it /put them all-in. both players are unknown to me.
  • 3 replies
    • Friedric
      Joined: 03.01.2012 Posts: 274
      You didn't limp, it's an overcall (correct me if I'm not right). You can call it of course, cause it's a multiway and this kind of hand is playing well postflop if it hits a draws.

      I don't like how you played this hand postflop. Why did you call bet on flop? You are drawing to 3 outs, I think that we can eliminate 9 :heart: cause it improves a flush draw. You need 15:1 pot odds to call this bet, you have only ~4:1, it's easy fold for me.

      As played: I'm raising turn, you don't want to see another heart, or a paired board. Someone should pay here anyway.
    • farbwenz
      Joined: 01.01.2010 Posts: 359
      Sorry, you are right, it was an overcall.
      I played it postflop because I am used to players just giving up after c-betting their hand when they did not hit. So in this position I could from time to time bet myself on the flop and take down the pot (or check behind again and hope for a nice river). Also, I would count a T or J (no hearts) as good outs, as opponents might easily have AK, lower pairs or flushdraws. I see that this is still not enough in pot odds, and the implied odds don't make up for this, so possibly a leak.

      On the turn, I do not want to ship it directly, because this might still scare ppl off overpairs, lower 2-pairs, flushdraws etc. And of course I should balance a bit and not play check/call with 2pairs, but shove with nuts (though I am not sure whether balancing is needed). So, with this potsize I intend to just call and ship it on almost any river. My question was actually more directed to the river, and whether I should change the plan and just check behind on a paired flop, and how to play on a flush-draw flop. But thanks for your suggestion, I think i really should have given up on the flop:-)

      edit: what I actually wanted to say: I used equilab and gave my opponent on MP the loose starting hand raising chart- hands. I think that most players would cbet here 80% of the range(100% if there were no other caller), because they picked up something on the flop, and because the Q makes it a good flop to bet(or am i wrong here). Turn then is an improvement for most hands, and a second barrel/valuebet is also reasonable for most hands.
      With the range
      55+,AQs,ATs-A9s,KJs+,QTs+,J9s+,T8s+,97s+,87s,76s,65s,AQo,ATo,KQo for the aggressor, and a bit tighter for the caller, I am ahead on the turn by
      83%, and 75% on the river. Is the range reasonable?
    • veriz
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Hello farbwenz,

      Definitely rather a fold on the flop cause you don't have the implied odds there but otherwise raise the turn and protect your hand! Ship da money!

      Best Regards.