NL100 Rush - Got donked into, made a baby flush, river pairs the board. Eeeeeeek!

in my recent and limited experience regs don't tend to donk/ fold. I would just call flop as then we can use position more effectively that way and maybe rep more straight draws and wrong the pot by bluffing on turn or river.

As played, I like turn and river. If river blanks I probably can't fold it.

I just can't see what villain would do this with that I beat, a bit sucky but a fold for me until I know more.
Blank river is easy game obv is obv, but I don't see much wrong with the play in my humblest opinion. Nh.

Originally posted by Tim64
in my recent and limited experience regs don't tend to donk/ fold. I would just call flop as then we can use position more effectively that way and maybe rep more straight draws and wrong the pot by bluffing on turn or river.

Well, if I really have no fold equity, it's ofc a bad raise on the flop.

How about this for a line of argument.

i) If he has a set, he's unlikely to call a raise OOP, so he probably has a flush draw.
ii) If he therefore has a flush on the turn, I can safely fold.
iii) When I call the turn, my hand looks mostly like a set, because raising probably just isolates me against flushes.
iv) If he has a flush, the river pairs the board and my hand now looks like a FH, so he won't jam. Therefore he doesn't have a flush either and must have a busted straight draw. Therefore I should call the river.

And thus do I level myself into spew, but fortunately, only after the fact. I guess it depends what level he's on, in particular whether he thinks my hand looks like a set on the turn.

^^
Too many ifs, given imperfect reads on this villain. He can have QT and be repping the flush on the turn. Then he jams riv (even though a flush should be scared) cos he has air and hopes you can fold AK/KQ or your own missed str8 draw.

So, yes, you will be folding the best hand ocasionally OTR. But his value range has you so crushed given the action that I don't think that's a tragedy.

We also don't know whether he's even the type of guy who will even ship 88bb with pure air into a strongish range (you really shouldn't be folding much having called this turn). He might just ch/f his bluffs. If so, calling is a disaster.

Folding vs someone not capable of weird plays. U dont hav 30% equity on the river for sure.

Originally posted by Tim64
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Too many ifs, given imperfect reads on this villain. He can have QT and be repping the flush on the turn. Then he jams riv (even though a flush should be scared) cos he has air and hopes you can fold AK/KQ or your own missed str8 draw.

So, yes, you will be folding the best hand ocasionally OTR. But his value range has you so crushed given the action that I don't think that's a tragedy.

We also don't know whether he's even the type of guy who will even ship 88bb with pure air into a strongish range (you really shouldn't be folding much having called this turn). He might just ch/f his bluffs. If so, calling is a disaster.

^^ indeed. My tongue is out of my cheek now.

Originally posted by mbml
Folding vs someone not capable of weird plays. U dont hav 30% equity on the river for sure.

What about the flop raise and turn call?

Flop- i would dislike raising a better flush draw if its too weak to shove vs a 3bet like A5dd. But i am fine with raise/folding a baby flush draw bcos its not that strong in the first place.

Not folding turn for sure and never folding a blank non pairing river. Not thrilled abt it but you'll never know. It requires a really strong read to fold a flush here. And he has aggro general stats which could indicate that hes more likely to spazz than a nit.

OK. Thanks.

Originally posted by Tim64
in my recent and limited experience regs don't tend to donk/ fold. I would just call flop as then we can use position more effectively that way and maybe rep more straight draws and wrong the pot by bluffing on turn or river.

As played, I like turn and river. If river blanks I probably can't fold it.

THIS! Don't raise the turn please, we have only slightly stronger than a bluffcatcher here but he can have loads of bluffs!