[NL2-NL10] QQ, getting best value

    • cgoldie
      Joined: 03.08.2010 Posts: 73
      My thoughts here are he probably is on a smaller pair and I want to make him committed enough to call a shove on the river. I tried a min raise on the turn hoping he would flat and then feel commited on the river.

      Prima, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      UTG: $2.92 (29.2 bb)
      Hero (MP): $11.23 (112.3 bb)
      CO: $10 (100 bb)
      BTN: $4.59 (45.9 bb)
      SB: $12.72 (127.2 bb)
      BB: $5.30 (53 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is MP with Q Q
      UTG calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.40, 3 folds, BB calls $0.30, UTG calls $0.30

      Flop: ($1.25) 8 2 6 (3 players)
      BB bets $0.60, UTG folds, Hero calls $0.60

      Turn: ($2.45) 5 (2 players)
      BB bets $1.10, Hero raises to $2.20, BB folds

      $4.65 pot ($0.23 rake)
      Final Board: 8 2 6 5
      Hero mucked Q Q and won $4.42 ($2.32 net)
      BB mucked and lost (-$2.10 net)
  • 6 replies
    • 3prswins
      Joined: 27.07.2011 Posts: 204
      Hi there,

      You've got to be raising the flop there, an overpair is not strong enough to slowplay.

      If he re/raises afterward then you know you're beat.
    • cgoldie
      Joined: 03.08.2010 Posts: 73
      I don't see the point on raising there on a dry board as most weaker hands fold and better ones reraise/flat.
    • Optroot
      Joined: 11.05.2008 Posts: 250
      I think I'm saving it for the river. Chances are his range that is calling a turn raise is also donking the river, so you'll be able to shove it there, he only has a PSB OTR. So you've lost no value.

      If he checks the river and you jam it looks more bluffy than the min raise on the turn, and I think you'll get more calls from the range that's folding to the min raise.
    • 3prswins
      Joined: 27.07.2011 Posts: 204
      Just my opinion, but if he has say a small - medium PP as you believe then he would be just as likely, maybe even more likely to shove it in on the flop. (Don't forget he's only got ~50BB stack).

      The turn and river could bring further scare cards too.

      Any stats on villian?
    • kymupa
      Joined: 22.10.2009 Posts: 22,364

      Preflop I think we can isolate potsize here.

      On the flop I'd go for a raise and prepare to shove on the turn and you don't even need to make it big - $1.6 will do the job.

      As played on the flop, I prefer shoving turn rather than minraising.
      Another option is calling and calling river.

    • axeboy90
      Joined: 26.01.2010 Posts: 3,023
      I too think that raising the flop would be better because he would call on that flop.