[Closed] $22 SNG - A9 post bubble.

nh wp , if you losing it take Nicks advice

Originally posted by curnow
if you losing it take Nicks advice

Do you even know where the qoute is from?

Thank you for your nh wp.

Hi all,

no need to be so mean curnow !

Here I would complete preflop.

As played, flop looks good.

I would check the turn.

On this river as played we have to go broke, although it does suck because he's often retarded enough to be on the flushdraw on the turn.

Originally posted by chenny8888
Hi all,

no need to be so mean curnow !

Here I would complete preflop.

As played, flop looks good.

I would check the turn.

On this river as played we have to go broke, although it does suck because he's often retarded enough to be on the flushdraw on the turn.

And now mine:

I would raise preflop, 3 handed, I can raise A9o even OOP, strong enough imo. I would bet the turn again like you did, because I want to protect vs draws, and I ofcourse go broke on the river, but with a check/call, because he might fold worse hands to the shove, but he might bet worse hands.

Originally posted by helemaalnicks
And now mine:

I would raise preflop, 3 handed, I can raise A9o even OOP, strong enough imo.

disagree here. it's close, but b/c BU so short we really don't want to be getting into marginal spots here IMO.

Originally posted by helemaalnicks
I would bet the turn again like you did, because I want to protect vs draws

i'm less afraid of draws here than i am of a better ace imo. if we have reads that he is passive, sure.

Originally posted by helemaalnicks
and I ofcourse go broke on the river, but with a check/call, because he might fold worse hands to the shove, but he might bet worse hands.

negative freeroll imo. if we check, he checks behind with worse hands and shoves better hands.

disagree here. it's close, but b/c BU so short we really don't want to be getting into marginal spots here IMO.

thats why we raise.

i'm less afraid of draws here than i am of a better ace imo. if we have reads that he is passive, sure.

Im willing to go broke, he never has a better ace in my experience.

negative freeroll imo. if we check, he checks behind with worse hands and shoves better hands.

true story, forget what i said, get in!

Originally posted by chenny8888

Here I would complete preflop.

Even with the short stack, you'd complete? seriously?

I really dont understand open completing this hand, without a really solid read on this guy.

In fact I dont understand open completing ever, unless you have a solid read.

If you dont want ti raise preflop because of the short stack, then why not fold?

Personally I would raise to 500 preflop. I would bet the turn also to protect against the draw. I would never expect him to have a better ace here, imo he would reraise preflop, and raise the flop with a better ace. The river allin is fine also imo.

Great feedback. Thanks.

In fact I dont understand open completing ever, unless you have a solid read.

I do, it's often a good play, since you're getting 1 to 3 pot odds (with antes even better) and usually the players on somewhat high limits are very nitty, meaning you often take it down on the c-bet on the flop. So if you c-bet 2/3 and there are no antes, you're putting in 1.75 bb for 1.5 bb, in a spot where I believe you usually have more then 70% FE. You do the math ;).

But why give them the chance to hit on the flop? Why not just raise preflop? As you said players on these limits are nitty, so why not take it down preflop? If you raise and get a call, we still have the same FE if we then c-bet the flop, but this time for a bigger pot.

I would only ever open limp with a solid read. If someone open completes and i'm in the BB, I often raise and take the blind. It seems so weak.

I would be very interested if someone would write a detailed answer as to why its a good play. Or maybe even an article.

I complete the SB on heads-up with hands like 74, 86, etc. If he keeps raising I'll eventually trap him

Originally posted by cannell555
But why give them the chance to hit on the flop? Why not just raise preflop? As you said players on these limits are nitty, so why not take it down preflop? If you raise and get a call, we still have the same FE if we then c-bet the flop, but this time for a bigger pot.

I would only ever open limp with a solid read. If someone open completes and i'm in the BB, I often raise and take the blind. It seems so weak.

I would be very interested if someone would write a detailed answer as to why its a good play. Or maybe even an article.

1.75BB for 1.5BB, and they only hit 35% of the time ;). Also, they often have bad enough hands for you to either win at showdown anyway, or make them fold anyway.

@Tosh5457, please please please don't do this. It's really -EV. Please only make open completes with at least decent hands.

If I do raise, I raise to at least 600. No way am I going to price him in for a call when he's got position :o.

@ chenny: So with no reads open completing with A9 is better than raising the SB? I really dont see how without any reads, open completing is a good move with any cards.

Originally posted by cannell555
@ chenny: So with no reads open completing with A9 is better than raising the SB? I really dont see how without any reads, open completing is a good move with any cards.

i just explained, you didnt tell us why not to play like this. Only thing you told us, is that your FE is higher postflop, which is simply not true. He has position, and can easily decide on the flop, so that's the problem, a villain calling you while you are holding superweak 8 10s, which i dont want to openfold, but since villains are nitty, and only hitting the flop 30% of the time, we have a good deal on the openlimping.

If I do raise, I raise to at least 600. No way am I going to price him in for a call when he's got position :o.

I dont care about position with these stacksizes, so if he wants to call, np, ill go broke on my ace anyway. Hes never ahead against me on an ace high flop, or hes slowrolling us, which is HIIIIIIIIIIGHLY unlikely with the shorty @ the table.

btw: LOL @ unams comment in the newssection. Were discussing, yes, so come on, give us your opinion! Are you a bit shy maybe?

So if we raise preflop, and then conti bet, we dont hold more FE than if we call preflop then bet flop?

Originally posted by cannell555
So if we raise preflop, and then conti bet, we dont hold more FE than if we call preflop then bet flop?

if we raise preflop and contibet we invest 1000 chips to win a 300 chips pot, if we call preflop then bet flop we invest 350 in a 300 chips pot. Its not about holding more FE, its about getting ~ the same FE way cheaper.

I have always seen completing the SB as a huge weakness, and still do tbh. I just don't like it. It looks so damn weak, and I prefer to play aggresive. I would love to see a full writen article on this.

I fully understand what you'ze are saying, and the calculations add up, and yet I still hate it. Maybe a full writen article would persuade me that its the correct play.

Originally posted by chenny8888

Originally posted by cannell555

@Tosh5457, please please please don't do this. It's really -EV. Please only make open completes with at least decent hands.

They're not so weak on heads-up, and I'm not folding because I got position and can get 3-1 pot odds.

Originally posted by Tosh5457

Originally posted by chenny8888

Originally posted by cannell555

@Tosh5457, please please please don't do this. It's really -EV. Please only make open completes with at least decent hands.

They're not so weak on heads-up, and I'm not folding because I got position and can get 3-1 pot odds.

the problem is simple. If you do this in a sng, where youre only 10-30bb's deep, position hardly helps you, so playing such bad hands isnt +ev