Propably the best plog in the world

    • Kyyberi
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      He took a glass jar and asked if it was full or empty. They all said it was empty. Then he filled it with medium sized rocks, and asked again if it was full or empty. They all said it was now full. Then he took small rocks and poured them to the jar. They fell among the bigger rocks. Then he asked if it was full or empty. They all said that it was full. Then he took small grains of sand and poured them to the jar, asking once again if it was full or empty. And they all said it was full.

      That jar is our life. First rocks are the foundations of our life: family, health, friends etc. Smaller rocks are things that make our life good but are not that essential: hobbies, music, good salary etc. And the small grains of sand are the little things that make our life good: morning coffee, good dinner, movies, sunshine etc.

      If you take away those small grains from your life, it would still be pretty good. If you also take away the small rocks, your life is good. But if you take away the bigger rocks, your life would be pretty empty.

      We all define our rocks and grains individually. Now the question is, what size of a rock is poker to you?


      I stumbled to that story yesterday, while reading a book about treatments for gambling addicts. Part of my studies is to do practical training in the fields of social services, and I am spending 7 weeks in a project about centralizing the services for gamling addicts.

      As I have been involved with poker and casino games (as a player and as an employee) for 10 years, I have seen a lot of different type or players. That story got me to thinking where poker stands in my life at the moment. As the Finnish community got more or less shut down, a medium sized rock was taken from my jar. Being a Poker School coordinator and a coach was the backbone for my income as a student. I dropped off from my daily job at the end of July, as I calculated that the income from those along with others would be sufficient.

      Every cloud has a silver lining though. When I was working as a coordinator and a coach, I didn't have much time to play myself or do private coachings as much as I would have liked to. Now I have time for them. But now we come to the interesting part: pressure and stress.

      As a student, the last thing I would like to have in my life is the stress of income. That's why I haven't ever counted my poker winnings to my income. It would be easy to do stuff like "I have 40 hours a month to play poker, so that would be 35K hands. With winrate of 10bb/100 that would be 35 buyins. Easy money." but we all know that variance is a bitch. A MAJOR bitch. If I assume that I would get $xxx a month from poker, what happens if I don't get it? What if I get a 100K downswing, meaning that I won't make any money in 3 months? I can't just increase the volume, as I have so much things to do in my life (that are those big rocks). So I would like to keep poker as a bonus, and secure my life and income in other ways.

      I don't know how I will do that. Might be that private coaching goes up and I can get solid field of students. Or might be that I can be a coach at somewhere else, who knows. Or might be that I go to normal job every now and then along my studies. Or might be that I get an insane heater at the end of the year and earn enough of a cushion ($$$) to start playing for income.
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    • Kyyberi
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      There are two ways to get traffic into a poker blog. Strategy content or naked girls. Might be a stupid decision, but I'll go with the hand histories:

      PokerStars - $0.25 PL Hi FAST (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players

      BTN: 106.4 BB (VPIP: 16.50, PFR: 9.71, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 104)
      SB: 106.76 BB (VPIP: 18.55, PFR: 13.87, 3Bet Preflop: 4.10, Hands: 528)
      BB: 51.92 BB
      UTG: 102.36 BB (VPIP: 38.30, PFR: 21.28, 3Bet Preflop: 19.05, Hands: 49)
      MP: 74.4 BB (VPIP: 27.59, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 29)
      Hero (CO): 102.4 BB

      SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

      Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Q:diamond: K:spade: 7:heart: A:diamond:

      fold, fold, Hero raises to 3.4 BB, BTN raises to 11.6 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 8.2 BB

      Flop: (24.6 BB, 2 players) T:diamond: J:spade: 2:diamond:
      Hero bets 23.56 BB, BTN raises to 94.24 BB, Hero calls 67.24 BB and is all-in

      Turn: (206.2 BB, 2 players) 8:diamond:

      River: (206.2 BB, 2 players) 6:spade:

      Hero shows Q:diamond: K:spade: 7:heart: A:diamond: (Flush, Ace High) (Pre 49%, Flop 71%, Turn 100%)
      BTN shows 5:club: 5:diamond: 6:diamond: 7:club: (Flush, Ten High) (Pre 51%, Flop 29%, Turn 0%)
      Hero wins 198.2 BB

      I just don't get his shove otf. I opted to donkbet full pot which is a mistake. I made the mistake by thinking that if I go for check-raise he can't fold his AA/KK hands. I thought that his 3bet range is made of more or less AA/KK, meaning he usually has equity on that flop. So I donked to make him fold his equity. The mistake was that I estimated my equity horribly wrong. Against overpairs or Jxxx I have around 63% equity. If I get the money in with that, the EV is better than it would be if I make him fold. And by donking I force him to fold all his air.

      So check-raise would have had a lot better EV than donking. Poker is a funny game where we might end up making a big mistake, but the results are still the same as without that mistake (or even better). But that's the very reason why poker is profitable to play, as most recreational players fall into this trap.

      What comes to his shove otf, it would be nice to hear what he thinks. He is sort of solid player, who clearly knows something about PLO (his stats after 100 hands). Maybe he got tilted, as this is his first 3bet. Hand is sort of crappy, and it's hard to find logical justification for the flop shove. As when I donkpot, I clearly have a hand that I am happy to stack off. And against whatever I might have, he has around 30% at max.
    • UPAY4DINNER
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      Look who it is! :f_cool:

      Good luck Kyy!
    • NutzAreOk
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      When the best plog in the world is going to continue? Always like to read your updates. :f_smile:
    • VladimirN
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      Originally posted by NutzAreOk
      When the best blog in the world is going to continue? Always like to read your updates. :f_smile:
      You mean the best plog
    • NutzAreOk
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      Originally posted by VladimirN
      Originally posted by NutzAreOk
      When the best blog in the world is going to continue? Always like to read your updates. :f_smile:
      You mean the best plog
      That`s right. Fixed. :f_grin:
    • Kyyberi
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      Not much to go ploggin' with. I am doing my practical learning in my studies. 7 weeks with addicted gambling issues, research and therapy. Very interesting, but takes away the time to play poker. Oh the irony!

      I've had some private coachings which is nice, and I have played two sessions of Zoom with my mobile this week. In the first one I first lost twice set over set in 3bet pots, and then third buyin with flopped nut fullhouse, when villain called flop and turn with an overpair and hit his 2 outer on the river. Second session lasted only for few minutes as the very same player hit his 2 outer again on the river when I flopped full house. That was enough for me.
    • Kyyberi
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      Mobile Zoom FTW! And the best part is that I am too lazy to get the hand histories to see how I run. Cos I think I have run sh*tloads over EV. Last couple of sessions have been like this:

      - I get set over set, flush over flush etc. in 3bet pots and lose couple of buyins there.
      - I get 95% of my stack in by the turn, and river completes the draw for villain.
      - I win a big multiway lottery and get even.

      I have been trying to get rid of my selective memory. But still I have a feeling that villains hit insanely good in Zoom. They cold call 4bets oop with A442 type of hands, and hit set or straight too often. At least for my selective memory. But sometimes there are sessions where I just hit the nuts all the time and villains give their money to me. So it's either god-run or bad-run. Nothing in between.

      Mobile Zooming (MobZo?) is pretty much the only way to play poker during my practical learning. I am really waiting until it's over, so that I can play normal sessions during the daytime.
    • HuhtalaJ
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      I think this is probably the best plog in the world :D
    • Kyyberi
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      Re-animation time! Almost started a new blog but then I remembered this one. Poker wise things have gone backwards since November. Studying, hobbies and family takes so much time that I haven't had time to play poker outside some coachings almost at all. That doesn't really bother me, but it creates some akward situations when someone approaches me for private coaching and asks for graphs/results. And I understand, how reliable is a coach who doesn't play himself?

      I am more than happy to explain things about my poker and coaching in here, in case someone is interested.

      In the first posts, I said that the only way to get traffic to a blog is either strategy content or naked girls. Which one do you prefer?

      P.S. Soon I will hit my 10K posts mark, so I need to figure out what to do with my 10Kth post. Any ideas to that are more than welcome!
    • tonypmm
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      Preach strategy (in the 10K-th post too), please!
    • Kyyberi
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      Originally posted by tonypmm
      Preach strategy (in the 10K-th post too), please!
      Sure, what topic?
    • Kyyberi
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      I watched the start of Skod's PLO5 video, but one 6 year old menace interrupted me so Skod lost the battle. Due to many, many incidents, trip to Spain and biggest losing session of my life, my own bankroll was dropped to somewhat minimum. As I said in earlier post my poker volume is similar to recreational players. So I went to play PLO5 Zoom.

      At first I bluffed conservatively. Then I noticed that bluffing in PLO5 just doesn't work. So I decreased it. Then I decreased it even more. To a point where 95% of my bets/raises were for value. I never nittied up, just started to make thinner and thinner valuebets. And it worked, as the last 1K hands were pretty fun to play. :f_love:

      Oh, and the funny thing is that usually people say that PLO5 is full of passive players. I found out that in Zoom people just have to bluff the river if they are checked to. Check-call river with a bluff catcher makes wonders.

      PLO5 today:
    • tonypmm
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      Originally posted by Kyyberi
      Originally posted by tonypmm
      Preach strategy (in the 10K-th post too), please!
      Sure, what topic?
      Erm, I just wanted to prevent you from wasting time on looking for naked woman pics :f_biggrin:

      I can't think of many things that 1) I acknowledge as my leaks, 2) apply to Zoom, 3) Skod or any other coach has never explained to me :f_biggrin:

      Let's try the following to begin with: 3-betting IP into a nitty UTG opener - both the preflop range and the behaviour on different flop textures; the thing is, regs fold UTG to 3-bets more often than I'd expect =) That's too narrow a topic for the 10K-th post, but let me think more on the latter.
    • Kyyberi
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      Too narrow topic in PLO? When everything depends on everything, the discussion always bloats and even the most simple topics get carried away. 3betting might be a good subject as so many players don't really know why they are 3betting.
    • Kyyberi
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      I see a pattern!



      Again the session started with a downhill slope, and eventually I grinded above the surface. Now one might see a pattern and say "you play poorly in the beginning". I have wondered too if that's the case. It isn't.

      It's funny that when you start the session with 8bin losses and grind it to a winning session, it feels pretty damn good. But when you start the session with a 8bin winning streak and eventually lose it all with coolers and setups, it doesn't feel good. Even if you end up winning a little. But it should, as in the end the total $$$ is all that matters.

      There are two things that stands out in PLO5 Zoom.

      #1. If a player has a busted draw or a weak hand at river and I check to him, he bluffs with a full pot sized bet. I can't even remember if someone has bluffed me with a smaller sizing.

      #2. If a player has a decent/good draw on the turn, he raises it even if hero's range is only the nuts. He can't think about equities, pot odds or estimate the difference between the actions. If he has more outs than he has fingers, he treats his hand like it's the nuts.
    • Kyyberi
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      Despite the swings this overall PLO5 Zoom graph looks pretty solid. As in micros the rakeback is very essential source of income, I have included the rakeback to the graph. EV winrate without the rakeback is around 15bb/100.



      I also figured out the topic for the 10Kth post, all I need to do is to spam this forum a little more before that ;)

      edit: I adjusted my game to PLO5 at around 750 hands, and reduced my bluffing a lot.
    • Kyyberi
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      Graphs are funny. You can make them to show almost anything you want.

      Feeling angry for running poorly? Post a graph with the EV line!
      Having a hue upswing? Post a graph without the EV line!

      Here is the graph for today, runnin almost 10bin under EV:



      I could cry how cruel the world is and I am the unluckiest person in the world blah blah blah. When we put that graph to the total graph of last week, it looks like this:



      So instead of running poorly I have actually run over EV for the majority of the time.
    • NutzAreOk
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      This blog is alive again! Keep it going Kyy! :f_smile:
    • Kyyberi
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      I busted my knee about a week ago, so the last week I have been sitting/lying at home. I have had quite many private coachings, so I haven't been able to play poker myself that much. I grinded a lot in the last day of month to get the status for next month, and run pretty bad. Played some PLO50 at thursday and friday, and those went well. I am quite happy to the level of my playing, even as I lost on one session and won on the other.

      I also noticed that my private coaching thread has some old information, so I am going to update it as soon as I have time.