[Closed] 1/2 SH - A8o

I think you should either 3-bet or fold the turn, I like a 3-bet more though.

River is a relatively easy valuebet for me, I don't think they will check better hands here a lot.

I like the turncall, with a 3-bet you push out the SB while he could (probably has) have an A that will call behind. The river is a clear valuebet.

Am I the only one who's thinking about folding this on the flop?
not last to act, and you're losing a lot more when behind, then winning when ahead.
Or maybe a coldcall, and go by the odds when raised behind.

3-betting just seems wrong, since we let SB fold almost all his hands worse then ours, and let him cap the better ones. I don't see worse hands putting any more action in on later streets.
BB seems to be a donk, and I don't see him raise a K here, so he either has Ax, or a flushdraw. With the last one, he won't call a riverbet, and the first one it's just a gamble if he has you or not.

Equity-wise you might be a marginal winner, but with the implied odds I think a cheap fold looks attractive.

Like to see a judge on this one

Folding the flop would be way too weak.

SB just makes a standard cbet and BB could have a wide range of hands including flushdraws or other worse hands.

Originally posted by Yoghi
Folding the flop would be way too weak.

SB just makes a standard cbet and BB could have a wide range of hands including flushdraws or other worse hands.

Well, you're 'only' 57% ahead against SB's 3-betting range, and he will fold almost all worse hands if we 3-bet, and cap alot of better hands. if we put bb on ax/flushdraw (I don't often see donks raising anything else here) we have about 35% equity. wich is obv. enough on direct odds, but against an aggresive SB we're facing big reverse implied odds.

anyway, wilm... can you give the result after the hand is judged?
I say SB: AQ, BB: Kxh

Ill post the results as soon as ciRith gave his oppinion

Well HU this would be indeed a wa/wb situation sometimes. If he is able to calldown with QQ- as the flop is 2-suited then wa/wb would be too weak but otherwise that's fine.

3-way it's a bit different. A coldcall is no option for me (can't explain exactly why). So it's either 3-bet or fold.

Board: Ah Kc 5h
Dead:

Equity Gewonnen UnentschiedenVerloren Hand
Spieler 1: 39.932 % 32.322 % 15.950 % 51.728 % Ac8h
Spieler 2: 31.429 % 27.937 % 7.715 % 64.348 % 44+, A5s+, KTs+, QJs, A8o+, KJo+
Spieler 3: 28.639 % 23.182 % 11.645 % 65.173 % 55, ATs-A2s, K8s+, K5s, QTs+, J9s+, T9s, AQo-A2o, K9o+

With 6% more than average equity a fold is too weak. We are still able to fold on the turn or river to more action so we won't lose that muuch more the times we are behind. We also often get payed off by the fish if SB folds as well.

The turn is even worse for us. We improve but I don't see us ahead very often anyway. A 3-bet is too much in my opinion.
I prefer a tough fold as I don't see BB bluffing here and SB's range is tight now as well.

Board: Ah Kc 8s 5h
Dead:

Equity Gewonnen UnentschiedenVerloren Hand
Spieler 1: 8.971 % 7.480 % 3.102 % 89.418 % Ac8h
Spieler 2: 65.448 % 65.296 % 0.423 % 34.281 % KK+, 55, AKs, A5s, AKo
Spieler 3: 25.581 % 24.058 % 3.166 % 72.776 % KK, 55, A8s, A5s, K8s, K5s, A8o, A5o

The ranges might be a bit too tight but we would need 14% for a call anyway without considering being 3-bet and that we have to call the river as well most of the time.

The range for SB is way to strong, he looks like a good TAG. And he 3-bets against a CO steal, so a PS range would include a lot more aces which he would also cap on the flop and bet the turn for protection.