[NL2-NL10] Playing overpairs on the flop . Answer

    • srohack
      Joined: 02.12.2006 Posts: 1,908
      hi guys
      i have started this thread so we can have a discussion about playing overpairs on the flop against different oponents . When giving your answers take into consideration history , flop texture and image at the table .
      we are tag with stats 18/15/2(vpip,pfr,af).
      All the tables are shorthanded.

      Hand 1 :
      Villain is known as a standard tag and seats at two tables with us . His stats are 18/16/2.2/600 (vpip,pfr,af,nh).He saw us raising alot of hands , cbeting and taking the pot without showdown.

      $0.05/$0.1 No Limit Holdem
      5 players
      Converted at weaktight.com

      UTG TheReporter ($15.55)
      CO Hero ($10.00)
      BTN McGerm ($13.60)
      SB JohnEdvards ($9.00)

      Pre-flop: ($0.15, 5 players) Hero is CO A:heart: A:spade:
      1 fold, Hero raises to $0.4, McGerm calls $0.4, 2 folds

      Flop: 9:diamond: 10:heart: 3:heart: ($0.95, 2 players)
      Hero bets $0.9, McGerm raises to $3.6, Hero ?

      Hand 2 :
      villain seems a very aggressive player . he was raising 3 times on the flop in the last 5 hands and took the pot by barreling the turn

      $0.05/$0.1 No Limit Holdem
      6 players
      Converted at weaktight.com

      UTG Hoooligan69 ($10.50)
      UTG+1 Hero ($11.15)
      CO labombardo ($14.70)
      BTN aeae39 ($2.50)
      SB JonPaulLFC ($5.78)
      BB dunkelpokermann ($7.01)

      Pre-flop: ($0.15, 6 players) Hero is UTG+1 K:heart: K:spade:
      1 fold, Hero raises to $0.4, labombardo calls $0.4, 3 fold

      Flop: 8:spade: 3:club: j:heart: ($0.95, 2 players)
      Hero bets $0.9, labombardo raises to $3.2, Hero?

      Hand 3:
      Villain is tight and plays 10/8/1/356 (vpip,pfr,af,nh)

      $0.05/$0.1 No Limit Holdem
      5 players
      Converted at weaktight.com

      UTG Hero ($10.00)
      CO IgotSacked ($12.52)
      BTN Legheliel ($12.37)
      SB nalencii ($8.00)
      BB galning ($12.95)

      Pre-flop: ($0.15, 5 players) Hero is UTG K:heart: K:diamond:
      Hero raises to $0.4, IgotSacked calls $0.4, 3 folds

      Flop: 10:spade: 3:spade: 4:diamond: ($0.95, 2 players)
      Hero bets $0.8, IgotSacked raises to $3.2, Hero?

      Give your answers in every situation and the reasons behind it
  • 6 replies
    • TheBrood
      Joined: 17.07.2008 Posts: 4,383
      Hand 1:
      Shove all in since he might think we have nothing based on our previous play and because board is very drawy. Plus we have backdoor nut flush.

      Hand 2:
      Call this aggro player, if you shove he will fold all worse hands. (I prob c/r turn based on his previous play)

      Hand 3:
      What is my table image?
      Tough hand. He isnt aggro but he raises flop as if protecting his hand. He could have JJ or QQ but unlikely. He probably has a set or a nut FD+oc in which case I fold because I cant continue here oop against a TAG and will prob be commited if I call.
    • kaisersoze83
      Joined: 24.02.2008 Posts: 897
      Hand 1 :

      the flop is very drawheavy, a lot of turns are bad for us, so i reraise AI.

      Vs a passive player, i call and chk/fold the turn if he bets big.

      Hand 2 :

      Villain is very aggressive and the board don't have a lot of draw, so i call the raise on the flop and i chk/raise AI the turn.

      Hand 3 :

      Villain has only an AF of 1, he is passive postflop.
      I call his bet on the flop because a fold here his too weak.
      On the turn i play chk/fold if he bets big.

      PS1 : i learnt from hasenbraten'video on overpairs.

      PS2 : it's a good idea this discussion, can you make this for others hands ?
    • Kaitz20
      Joined: 02.02.2007 Posts: 27,343
      1. Flop is drawy and re-raise is big. He won´t do that move with total bluff, since we can always suck out with runner-runner flush and we might be ahead then I´d shove here.
      2. If villain woudl re-raised to 2$, then I´d like to go small 3-bet to 4$.
      Here pot is big if he call and he has potsize left. Not really sure that he´d shove with middle pp here or oesd or Jx. he rather take free card and if he improves then shove/call river. That ś why I like min-3bet and give him chance shoving or if he wants to call with Jx and see what we do on the turn.
      3. B/f. WE´re not ahead against nit almost never with overpair.
    • Solomaextra
      Joined: 17.07.2008 Posts: 7,401
      1. Raise allin.
      2. Call and fold to an ace on the turn or just raise small here, almost same EV.
      3. Fold.
    • kaisersoze83
      Joined: 24.02.2008 Posts: 897
      anyone else ?

      answers ?

      Can you make a discussion like this on TPTK vs raise flop or turn ?
    • Tosh5457
      Joined: 18.01.2008 Posts: 3,062
      1. Shove, he could be drawing and he'd mostly CBH his whole range on the turn, unless he hit his draw.

      2. Call and c/r turn. if turn was an ace I'd mostly just c/c turn because he'd fold most hands (Jx, TT). Then river c/c I guess...

      3. Fold, i dont see a nit raising with a pair or an overpair, a draw only if it is overcards + FD, and that overcard could be an ace. most of the times he'll have a set though