[NL2-NL10] NL5 SH - Top two pair facing shove

    • Gamer135
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      $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Holdem
      6 players
      Converted at weaktight.com

      Villain's stats: VPIP 55, AF 2.0 over 60 hands

      Stacks:
      UTG ($5.21)
      UTG 1 ($13.02)
      Hero ($12.44)
      BTN ($6.43)
      SB ($5.84)
      BB ($2.60)

      Pre-flop: ($0.07, 6 players) Hero is CO A:diamond: K:club:
      UTG calls $0.05, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.20, 1 fold, SB calls $0.18, BB calls $0.15, UTG calls $0.15

      Flop: K:diamond: Q:diamond: A:heart: ($0.80, 4 players)
      SB goes all-in $5.64, 2 folds, $5.64 to Hero ($12.24)?
  • 8 replies
    • TheBrood
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      Raise more pf, at least 4xBB + 1BB per limper = 0.25. With AK you might want to bet a bit more like 0.30 since you want the smallest amount of opp postf. and AK doesnt do well against more than 1 station postf.

      As played, I prob fold here since 2 pair is nowhere near the nuts on this board, but it depends on overall stats of villain. He is AF 2.0, this bet is more like a AF 5.0 person so I would be wary. He shoves into 3 players, I see fish do this with the nuts or strong hand hoping a worse fish will call with an A. He has minimum 2 pair.

      Bottom line, this is a close call and you dont need to risk a stack on 2pair when the pot is so small.
    • Solomaextra
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      Fold and find better spot, the pot odds are awful :)
    • kukac26
      kukac26
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      Crazy.

      You should be calling flop all-ins with top two on the flop almost every time (unless you're against a super-rock who only bets with the nuts).

      There are just so few plausible hands that beat you here. (well.. JT is one, AA-QQ are quite unlikely)
      The villain could shove with AQ, KQ, two diamonds, AJ, AT.. at 55 VPIP anything is possible.

      Only hands you are dead against are AA and KK, what are the odds of him smooth-calling them from SB?

      In the worst case you're on a 4-outer with a runner-runner nut flush posibility. May not seem much, but in majority of cases it is a whole lot better than your usual micro-tourist.

      The odds in this hand are stupid.. but you get a good price for your top two here (you will win more than every other time..)
    • srohack
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      hi
      i am not ever folding top two pair here unless i have a realy good read he does this with the nuts . his range is wide enough here imo . flush draws , gutshots + pair , aq , kq and very rarely 10j
      gl
    • TheBrood
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      What did he have Gamer135? Im really curious now =)
    • Gamer135
      Gamer135
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      I guess I can post the whole hand now that srohack's had a chance to look at it:

      $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Holdem
      6 players
      Converted at weaktight.com

      Stacks:
      UTG ($5.21)
      UTG 1 ($13.02)
      Hero ($12.44)
      BTN ($6.43)
      SB ($5.84)
      BB ($2.60)

      Pre-flop: ($0.07, 6 players) Hero is CO A:diamond: K:club:
      UTG calls $0.05, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.20, 1 fold, SB calls $0.18, BB calls $0.15, UTG calls $0.15

      Flop: K:diamond: Q:diamond: A:heart: ($0.80, 4 players)
      SB goes all-in $5.64, 2 folds, Hero calls $5.64

      Turn: 9:diamond: ($12.08, 2 players)

      River: 2:diamond: ($12.08, 2 players)

      Final Pot: $12.08
      SB shows: Q:heart: K:spade:
      Hero shows: A:diamond: K:club:

      Hero wins $11.48 ( won $5.64 )
      SB lost -$5.84
      BB lost -$0.20
      UTG lost -$0.20

      It was a good session :D I nearly had a heart attack on the turn, though.
    • TheBrood
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      grats on the win!


      Do we call with AQo here?
      Do we call with KQo here?
      Do we call with AdTd here?
    • srohack
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      kq i fold
      rest i call