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Hand Quiz Part 1: Four Streets, Four Problems

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BarryCarter
Joined: 13.01.2011

In the next three days we will analyse one specific hand on every single street. We're very interested in your opinion and how you would have played the hand.

An unknown opponent in middle position raises to three big blinds. All other opponents fold and it's your turn with Q-Ts. In poker, there are a lot of hands that look bad and you need to be cautious accordingly. On the other hand there are some hands that look good but can cause a lot of trouble. This leads us to today's question:

Question of the day: Should we call with QTs in this spot?

If equity was the only aspect of our decision, this would be an easy call: you need around 30% equity to call and our hand wins about 57% of the time against a random hand. But beware: please continue reading before you decide to call, thinking you made a fantastic play. There are some other aspects to consider.

In case you hit one of your outs, you might experience a conflict of interest on the flop: you want to call when your opponent bluffs enough, and you want to fold when your opponent's range is strong. Your opponent would like you to behave exactly the opposite: he wants you to call when you're behind and to fold when you're ahead. How do you think you're performing in this situation?

How often will you be able to bluff your opponent in case you didn't hit? Will a backdoor flush draw on a board like A-5-3 be enough for a profitable float? After all, you still have 28% equity against your opponent's range. Always folding the flop because you didn't hit would be negative EV. Should you, on the other hand, know exactly in which situations you can bluff your opponent, your EV will go through the roof.

Let's assume that you helped an old lady cross the street, earning some precious karma points. Depending on the size of the street and the degree of help needed, you hit something between two pair and a royal flush on the flop. How do much do you think you will win from your opponent?

If you are unsure what hands to call, you should maybe have a look how to construct a gameplan.

Now it is on you to decide: Is it a close call? Or a close fold? Do you want to take the risk and 3-bet? Or do you tend to minimize the table and deny that the situation ever happened? Vote for your preferred decision and tell us your thoughts by replying to this thread.


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BarryCarter
Joined: 13.01.2011

bump


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Everyone has an image, but hero doesn't :f_cry:


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the decision is between call and 3bet imo. I am never folding unless he is a supernit, in which case I am always behind here. If he is stealing often, I am 3betting a lot here. if not, I will mixitup here and 3bet part of the time and flat the rest of the time with similar hands. His stats + notes would help me decide what to do obv.


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peche025
Joined: 14.12.2008

I'm calling, against an opening range of 18% we have 44% equity.


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i fold


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BotiaKiraly
Joined: 18.03.2009

It's a hard one, raising is out of the question for sure.
Why would we raise, it's too weak for value and to strong for a bluff.

Folding wouldn't be that bad If you are not that confident postflop

calling is slightly a favorite, but It is a hard hand to play postflop OOP


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Harrier88
Joined: 01.05.2012

Call me a nit, but without any information on this villain, I'd prefer to fold this one.

If I had some stats, the situation could change dramatically. But out of position in a two way pot, without any reads whatsoever, I don't think this situation would be that profitable and we can find better spots.

For a call, I'd like to be either in position or in a multiway pot, preferably both.

For a 3-bet, I'd want to have stats/reads/information on villain (steals a lot, c-bets once and folds to float, generally loose-passive, etc.).


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lila28
Joined: 31.05.2013

call pre
check/call, check/raise, donk depending board on flop.
Our hand is way too strong to fold pre imo.


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DecMate
Joined: 25.01.2009

I think calling.
The majority of players tend to raise loose from the button and in general we are ahead of most villians BTN raising ranges in this spot.

3 Betting wouldn't be a good option, we don't want to play a big pot OOP vs an unknown with a marginal hand.

We are also on the BB so are getting a better price, which is why i think overall calling is the best option.


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lkdr9494
Joined: 26.01.2012

1. Fold. This hand will get you in trouble more times than it will win you a big pot.
2. 3-bet. Proceed with caution.
3. Call? You hit and donk? check/raise? You don't hit, lost 2 BB for nothing.

I'd fold here most of times.


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CPallo
Joined: 12.04.2012

So, villain opens us 3bb from MP. If we think that he has quite tight MP range as we are playing NL20. We can't assume he opens too wide.

My bottom of Qx calling range here would be QJs. Thus I would 3-bet the first hand outside of my range. That hand is QTs.

So, I would 3-bet. Against some player that we have more reads about this could be a call or a fold. But against unknown it's 3-bet.

I rest my case :coolface:


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Harrier88
Joined: 01.05.2012

Originally posted by DecMate
I think calling.
The majority of players tend to raise loose from the button and in general we are ahead of most villians BTN raising ranges in this spot.

But villain is MP, not BTN.


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Saren113
Joined: 06.03.2009

I wouldn't be in this spot as I don't play FR :coolface:

I agree that it might be a close spot, but without reads I am folding. I mean MP vs UTG range is probably a pretty darn strong hand.


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ZapOut
Joined: 03.08.2011

Easy 3bet :)


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redrawstump
Joined: 09.05.2012

3bet vs unknown. Calling puts us oop, without initiative with a dominated hand. Which is bad. So 3bet to take down the dead money, fold to a 4bet and play aggressively if called pre and the board is conducive (i.e. bluff when good for our range and bad for villains or if we make a strong hand/draw)

Either that or 3bet shove to build our reckless image :P


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ArtySmokes
Joined: 29.05.2011

If villain was opening in an earlier position, then QTs becomes a fold, but it's a call here. I think that my post-flop skills can overcome being out of position with this "trouble hand". While it won't be hugely profitable to play QTs in this spot, I expect my long-term EV to be close to neutral in this spot, which means it's better to play the hand than fold pre and lose 1bb every time.

The plan for post-flop is to play a small pot unless I make a monster or flop a combo draw. I won't be going broke with one pair.


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