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Call or Check Raise? Poll is created on Mar 24, 2014

  
  

Hand Quiz Part 2: Four Streets, Two Problems Left

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BarryCarter
Joined: 13.01.2011

After having tested your preflop game the last time, today we will go one step further. How would you play on this (pretty good) flop?

In our hand we decided to call preflop and got lucky on the flop: we flopped the nut straight and a flush draw. Now we check to our opponent and he pleases us with a continuation bet. That leads us to the...

Question of the day: checkraise or check/call?
With the nuts you have two pleasant alternatives and just have to think about which option gets you the most money.

Do you decide in favour of Miss Checkraise?...

Miss Checkraise: "The hands in your opponent's range argue for a checkraise, since there are a lot of hands he will not fold: flush draws, two pairs, sets and probably a top pair with Ax."

But before punishing your opponent with a checkraise you should have a look at the alternative option."

... or is Miss Call your favourite?

Miss Call: "Check/call is alluring as well: most of the time you don't have a strong hand on this board since you're nearly always 3-betting JJ, KK, AA and AK preflop. This means that your opponent should play very aggressively and maybe even overbet hands like T9s on the turn to make you fold your weaker holdings. There are also not many reasons for him not to bet his costly second-best hands (AJ, AK, KK, AA). The worst case would happen if your opponent checked the turn behind with hands like KQ or A5s. He probably would have called these hands to a checkraise and a bet on the turn..."

If you're looking for more content on this topic, you should start to think about how you play your entire range postflop and check out our articles about the perfect game plan.

Now it's on you to decide: do you want to punish your opponent by checkraising the flop or make him believe his hand is good by just check/calling? Unfortunately, we don't have a 'Miss Click' today so folding is not an option. Vote for your decision and let us know why by replying to this thread.


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BarryCarter
Joined: 13.01.2011

bumpety bump


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If I called pre:
I c/r and go AI OTF, if possible obv. He would expect that I don't play the nuts this way, so he would put me on :heart: or 2pair (AJ). If he has the AK or KKK or whatever monster he has - he's done :)

IF I 3bet pre:

I go for a small bet 50% or less OTF and hope to get raised c/c is also fine imo


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CPallo
Joined: 12.04.2012

To the hand,

I myseld had 3-bet this hand pre-flop and with initiative this would be a piece of cake for play But anyway, when we call we have bunch of hands like FD's, some gutshots we want to bluff with, so we should go for a raise and not slowplay this hand at all. Doubt he folds any hand here he bets with (unless he has hand like 98cc or so). If he had tens or some pp he is turning into a bluff he would chback turn anyway most likely, so better to be aggressive ourselves here.


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Bang Miss Checkraise.
Marry Miss Call.


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Originally posted by unshpe
Bang Miss Checkraise.
Marry Miss Call.

Solid post, I second


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Check/raising all day long while action killing cards doesn't appear.


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martinemem
Joined: 05.07.2011

raise


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peche025
Joined: 14.12.2008

c/r everytime, don't really want to see an A K J even a heart might kill our action or have us behind


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If villain was EP I think XR is best.
In this case maybe XC flop, donk turn may have the best EV.

With such a hand always consider a fold at some point if the A pairs on a later street and villain is giving a lot of action. Or if the heart comes. If A was a heart, then it's a different story.

It really depends on villains range and playing style. I flopped this thing two days ago on the BTN when calling a 3b from SB by a villain who had a range of 20% 3b vs steal, significant sample. I decided to let him rep a big hand and called a big flop bet. Turn was blank, he fired again big size, I called. River was an A, he shoved 70BB into a pot of 80BB and I couldn't find the fold. He had KK.

If villain's range was 5%, i'd have played it differently.


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i really like to mix it here...if our op is tag i like c/r on flop cause he usually hits that board...if he is lag i like to call and donk turn or c/r turn


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