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Call or Fold? Poll is created on Mar 24, 2014

  
  

Hand Quiz Part 3: Four Streets, Last Problem

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BarryCarter
Joined: 13.01.2011

Get ready for the final battle in our hand - we're facing a difficult decision on the river.

We decided to play our hand passively and check/call on the flop. On the turn, our opponent surprised us by checking behind so that we now find ourselves on the river. The good news is: we still have a straight. The bad news is: we don't have the nuts anymore. Now we bet and our opponent moves all-in...

Question of the day: call or fold?
On the flop you couldn't really do anything wrong. But two streets later you have the choice between the devil and the deep blue sea.

Are you showing your muscles like Blanka and call?

What argues for a call is the fact that your opponent could play a single Jack like that. Additionally, he could bluff worthless hands like 76s or Q9s that are also still in his range. Unfortunately, you don't have the read that your opponent is a degenerate maniac, so here are our arguments for...

or are you level-headed like E. Honda?

...folding the hand. How often will your opponent really show a bluff in this hand? If he wanted to bluff, why didn't he do it on the turn and fire a bullet on your fragile house of cards? Would he really raise a Jack all-in? How likely is it that the opponent slowplayed the turn with AJ, KK or AA?

Now it is your turn to decide: close your eyes and call? Take a deep breath and hero-fold? Vote now and let us know your thoughts by replying in this thread.


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BarryCarter
Joined: 13.01.2011


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Saren113
Joined: 06.03.2009

Look at that river, a player would be super scared to raise that board tbh. It's a crying fold in my world atleast.


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CPallo
Joined: 12.04.2012

Quite a meeh spot tbh,

He is representing narrow value range - mostly 22 or some FH that he got on T and decided to slowplay with. On the contrary, he still has those wierd air hands in his range. However, considering this is NL20 and villain should bluff here very little and when he bluffs, he should just raise it like 3x and fold to re-raise..

So maybe nitty fold. But one should still 3-bet this pre-flop !


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BotiaKiraly
Joined: 18.03.2009

I thought about this, for a while I think this is a call

If this guy is a better reg, then he would surely bet for value on the turn with his fullhouses, I don't see why someone who check-called the flop would fold to a that turn and a turn bet gets more money from draws and even builds pot if "we would hit our draws".

Since we have established that he is not that good, I think his river raiseshove range can contain J-s. if we ad to J hands from his preflop range lets say JT, JQ + the slowplayed fullhouses we get exactly the right equity to call and be BE. However it can be possible that he has a very few QT hands, maybe a very few bluffs, It's not likely though. but there are the other J hands.

Not all people think like: what am I getting value from if I shove over his bet with trip J-s(not much), but "I have 3 jacks that's good enough to shove"

hard decision without info though, and I don't think I could go through this thought process during play

We call and make an excuse that, it was another damn cooler :P


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ZapOut
Joined: 03.08.2011

Fold.
AA or KK, KJ or AJ, JJ. Or which is less likely but he could have Q10 as well.
He is never pushing that river after the action we had, without having big nuts.


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rompas
Joined: 12.02.2014

smelling jj here so would fold this ,,


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redrawstump
Joined: 09.05.2012

I would break my mouse clicking fold. only with reads that villain likes to shove rivers with any sort of frequency would I think about a call. The first shove gets thru, then we make notes and maybe make a different decision next time


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think u need extra reads in how he plays in general ( is he a player that could over bet all in for bluff ) generally in this stakes i crying fold this


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