How to practice late MTT phases?

    • dardarlt
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      I am constantly failing in playing tournament's middle / late / buble phases, event if I have twice as average stack.
      What do you think, what are the best practice method? Playing SNG, 180 Man MTTs, playing large tournaments, or watching all videos/couching sessions?
  • 14 replies
    • Harrier88
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      I can recommend Asaban's Beginner's Course on MTTs if you haven't watched it already (1st video, forum thread).

      You can also practice a little with the ICM Trainer. It's intended for SNG players, but it can help you get a feel for the required pushing or calling ranges.
      Playing SNGs is not really comparable to MTTs, since the payout structure is different. In SNGs, it is more important to get in the money, while it is more important to finish deep in MTTs. I could imagine that 180-man SNGs might be somewhat similar, though, but I can't really tell since I never played them.

      I do recommend watching a coaching session if you get the chance.

      Btw, keep in mind that MTTs are extremely variance-heavy, so it might take some time until you can see results, even if your making the right plays.
    • badgerer
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      maybe you should play a few hyperturbo mtt or sng for practice. they basicly start in the mid to late stage (depending on the structure).

      it could just be negative variance. posting the big pots you lost in the hand analysis forums could be a wise move, that's what i would do.
    • Harrier88
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      There's an MTT coaching by Tiltberger today at 19:00 CET. Why not check it out?
    • dardarlt
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      Thank you all. All suggestions are really great. I'll try all of them.

      If anyone has more suggestions, please write them :)
    • Asaban
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      Originally posted by Harrier88
      I can recommend Asaban's Beginner's Course on MTTs if you haven't watched it already (1st video, forum thread).

      You can also practice a little with the ICM Trainer. It's intended for SNG players, but it can help you get a feel for the required pushing or calling ranges.
      Playing SNGs is not really comparable to MTTs, since the payout structure is different. In SNGs, it is more important to get in the money, while it is more important to finish deep in MTTs. I could imagine that 180-man SNGs might be somewhat similar, though, but I can't really tell since I never played them.

      I do recommend watching a coaching session if you get the chance.

      Btw, keep in mind that MTTs are extremely variance-heavy, so it might take some time until you can see results, even if your making the right plays.
      Perfect answer =)
      180men MTSNG's are indeed a good way to practise MTT's. They are very similar in playstyle and last a short duration.

      Regards,
      Asaban
    • Jaquare
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      180's SnG are great for practice and as someone said super turbo MTT help a lot to know to use your stack in similar stack size situation that you ll be in middle/late normal mtt.
    • w4terman
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      180man is a pretty good practice!
      3,5r which are kidna deeper
    • uglyboy88
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      Originally posted by dardarlt
      I am constantly failing in playing tournament's middle / late / buble phases, event if I have twice as average stack.
      What do you think, what are the best practice method? Playing SNG, 180 Man MTTs, playing large tournaments, or watching all videos/couching sessions?

      by reviewing your hands and searching where do you fall to make right decissions
    • StarFox1919
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      Read. There are lots and lots of articles through the internet. Talk to MTT players, they will add many arguments and strategies to you.
    • mishajava
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      more skill needed at the late phases and lil more aggression ;)
    • SuicideQueens
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      >$5 SNGs are good for practice, i don't think $1 SNGs have good quality play,
    • SDK1987
      SDK1987
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      Originally posted by SuicideQueens
      >$5 SNGs are good for practice, i don't think $1 SNGs have good quality play,
      I’m not sure what this has to do with the last phase of a tournament, but you can better start on the $1 first. If you can’t beat those games you have a hard time on the $5 games against better players.

      Further I recommend that you Introduce yourself! Than we know you a little bit better.

      Best regards,
      SDK1987
    • GoOnCal1
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      The winner takes all format like 888 playing cards
      Helps focus on coming first
      :-)
      Also play every freeroll
    • mitozgd
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      You would be surprised what kind of intelectual beast play at SnG's >1$