AMA: im lifetime +$xxx,xxx poker player, and i quit

    • supeyrio
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      this will be a AMA but heres a LONG story to get the questions going!

      like most of you guys here, i started playing poker as a young broke kid, graduated but never gotten a proper job since i was making more $ than and average job would pay me.
      played midstakes on stars for 3years, handjudge(silent one lolol) made $XXX,XXX profits(ambiguous i know lol), got an opportunity to travel and not be home for 3years!

      3years is enough
      unlike most people who quit poker due to a bad run or a downswing, i actually ended my career on a high; i made high $1x,xxx that month, but it still wasn't enough for me to stay. because i found my new love, affiliate marketing.

      what im doing now!
      affiliate marketing is a very loosely used term and to be fair, i would prefer to call myself a performance marketer instead.
      what is a performance marketing u may ask, well performance marketing is a method of interactive advertising which pays on a “performance” basis.
      i'm sure some of you might have heard of it or even tried it!

      but here's why i love it!

      1) poker teaches us analytical skills which we can apply in real life, performance marketing make us experience and learn how to crush real life!
      2)as a poker player, i can get away with being very talented/hardworking in poker ignoring everything else , but as a performance marketer, you need to excel in something while still being good at all the other stuff which includes negotiating/prospecting/socialising/copywriting/ITskills/designing etc.
      3)as a poker player, the only real time you can increase ur $EV is when u play poker or work on poker. but as a marketer, anything and everything can significantly increase your $ev for example, socialising at networking events could help u forge new partnerships, talking to friends randomly could give u new marketing ideas/insights, heck even playing games on your phones, you could be viewing banner ads that could be such worthwhile information!
      4)as a poker player, your progress is easily capped. whats after nl2? nl5, after nl200? nl400. then nl1k? 10k? 100k? how high can u climb? how much more dififcult would things be ?
      as a marketer, the sky is the limit, you start small and u can scale to as big as you want! think amazon.
      5) poker player => trades time for $, marketer => trades time for $+asset(residual value)

      in poker, the $ flows from the fish to the sharks. in marketing its the same, except, there are alot more fish, like a fuck lot more, just think anyone who's connected to a desktop or a mobile phone, yes they are all your fishes!

      to end off the story, i would like to thank pokertrategy for all this has given me, without poker, i wouldn't have the ability to travel, meet new people, and gain new experiences which has now pushed me to greater heights!

      2 months after quitting poker
      so its been 2months now since i've quit,was doing marketing for almost 3months on the side before i took the plunge when it started taking off.
      i also strategically partnered my brother when i was starting out. at that point of them, he was facing a decision to be average (he got admitted to the top univeristy in singapore, top 20 in the world), or to take a shot. managed to get him to look at his life to figure out what he really wanted and bamm we are here today.

      so today, we are working together and always looking to embark on new projects to make more $.
      i currently have an idea for marketing and am on the look out for anyone who's interested!
      so if you are a poker player who is interested to find out more, please hit me up. i'm looking for someone who is decent in poker(or any expertise u may have), that is interested in writing/content/marketing.
      if you have any other interesting ideas or projects that you think i can provide value, please feel free to hit me up!

      anyho, as a little give back to the community, feel free to ask me any questions if any! fire away........ :f_love:
  • 15 replies
    • hockbrianey1
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      shutup
    • petterix
      petterix
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      Friend request sent.
      Let's chat.
    • EmanuelC16
      EmanuelC16
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      How much did you spend the most in one party night/day?
    • supeyrio
      supeyrio
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      Originally posted by EmanuelC16
      How much did you spend the most in one party night/day?
      in $ terms its about $800, and thats going dutch.
      in real average local grads wage, thats about 2x monthly average wage so its quite a huge spend here in thailand ! hahaa
    • w34z3l
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      Ok sounds good, sign me up :D
    • supeyrio
      supeyrio
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      Originally posted by w34z3l
      Ok sounds good, sign me up :D
      to what? heh :D
      happy to not have to battle u on stars anymore :f_p:
    • NightShadePMC
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      What winrate do you consider good and what winrate do you consider great at full ring zoom NL50? And what games were you playing near the end of your career?
    • w34z3l
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      Originally posted by supeyrio
      Originally posted by w34z3l
      Ok sounds good, sign me up :D
      to what? heh :D
      happy to not have to battle u on stars anymore :f_p:
      You said you were looking for a poker player who is interested in writing/content/marketing. I am interested :D
    • Varune
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      How did you start with afilliate marketing?
    • CoreySteel
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      Do you think you will never go back playing poker?
      What would it take to go back?
    • supeyrio
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      @nightshade: i dont play FR i play 6max. i started out playing FR though, was blindly 24tabling 50nl making like 2k/mth as a small winner. i suggest that if u wanna be in this game longer, move to 6max, or even HU.

      @w34z3l: cool, i hink i've found u on skype. otherwise, add me @supeyrio.

      @varune: by chance! i was just back from chiang mai alone when i got bored, decided to talk to the people seated beside me. boom, 1 was a business consultant who helps failing businesses survive and startups boom, another was an affiliate marketer who was just about to give a talk in BKK(where im headed). he convinced me that internet marketing isnt bullshit,there are real technical tools taht are equivelent to HEM/pokertracker too! that really made me sit up and listen because having a hud was what turned me from a losing player to a winner!
      so i decided to turn up to check out whats it all about! heard really awesome stories, met wonderful people and totally turned my head around!

      @corey: professionally? nope. for the $? nope, unless i get a sick opportunity like highstakes with all fishes and its somewhat fun. leisure? yes, but how fun can poker be?! wont rule this one out though, definitely with the right people, it can be great fun!

      it would take alot to goback to this game. the skills u gain in poker is so isolated, it doesnt even make any sense for you to go back once you've manage to "succeed" in the real world.
      look, i would rather someday fail as an affiliate marketer than fail as a pro poker player. as a pro poker player, what are your options when poker eventually fail? you dont have any other skills of value to others, you are unlikely to be involved with a network of people that can provide value to u outside the realms of poker(think mostly poker players).
      but if you fail as an affiliate marketer, you've got options! throughout your affiliate marketing journey, you would have made connections with people who you can provide value too and hence give u an opportunity for a fresh start.
      you would also have some skills(think coding, seo, ppc, copywriting, designing, etc) to be able to deliver value to people and hence get compensation for your work. worse comes to worse, u get a job, definitely have the advantage, over any poker player, with your real work experience!
    • NightShadePMC
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      Can you please further develop the reasons for moving to 6-max? Do you consider that full ring games are dying and will be almost extinct in the near future or the edge will be too small to be worth playing?
      I would love to know your opinion. Thank you in anticipation.
    • supeyrio
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      Originally posted by NightShadePMC
      Can you please further develop the reasons for moving to 6-max? Do you consider that full ring games are dying and will be almost extinct in the near future or the edge will be too small to be worth playing?
      I would love to know your opinion. Thank you in anticipation.
      the trend its that fullring is dying. people want more action online and naturally lesser players is the way to go. if you wanna take poker seriously, it is best you master headsup, then you'll be fine in all environments!
    • StartlingGrope
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      Have you ever owned a trilby?
    • Janosikgdy
      Janosikgdy
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      HF man:-)

      Two yrs ago i started company in the same field (strong focus on seo and cro).
      However i mainly focus on b2b clients rather than affiliate.
      GL