New recruit at SH Zoom micro's [NL10]

    • vandeuren
      vandeuren
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      Hey all, I'm a micro-stakes cashgamer who is climbing the ladder :)
      up untill recent I played mostly tournaments, but decided to give cash a go
      In June I started from a 20$ bankroll, played 50k NL2 hands and managed to beat it with 7bb/100 :f_biggrin:
      Taking the game a bit more serious, I managed to beat NL5 and NL10 a few weeks later
      Bankroll is now 700$ and I'm taking shots at NL25 ( so far things are going well)
      Was still in phase of constructing a gameplan, luckily the Bootcamp for micro's is all about making such a gameplan, so I'm in full bootcampmode right now (and weazel and Bogdan are my fav coaches)
      just started using my hud again after I had a 20k break, also to help me set up a gameplan vs standard villains

      As I did before on my dutch community blog I will post hands for review, give updates on gameplan, and post links to interesting vids I saw or articles read.

      I look forward to discuss strategy and hands with you guys

  • 67 replies
    • FFRRAANNKKIIEE
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      Hi vandeuren,

      Nice progress, will follow surely,

      gogo!

      Fran
    • SneakyhanD
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      Hello,

      Definitely as Fran said, sick progress from nl2 to nl25 in 2 months !

      Looks like another imba-inspiring blog incoming, following !

      GL,
      Sneakyhand.
    • Varune
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      woohoo

    • vandeuren
      vandeuren
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      thx guys, and thanx to varune for great music ;)

      Bootcamp with weazel was very interesting yesterday, talking about constructing preflop ranges ( btw there was some really interesting preparation for this class, esp. the modern eq and the "being ahead of the curve)
      Would really recommend this video and bootcamp to all micro-cashgamers out there

      I'll start by posting a few hands, all pretty standard ones i expect. In the future I'll also post some more creative or weird lines I took

      hand 1: flopped bottom set multi on drawy board

      PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST - Holdem - 9 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      pre is pretty standard I guess, getting great implieds in a multiway
      on flop, I decide to go for check-raise, thinking at least one of 3 villains will bet here. considered donking but 4ways that would have looked really strong i suppose
      when Bu reraises pretty big I'm getting worried my set might not be good, But QQ would have raised pre i suppose. Folding a set or just calling was not really option, so I pushed all-in, hoping villain would have flushdraw or straightdraw. To my surprise he turned over Aqo here.

      BTN: 104.52 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
      SB: 92.72 BB (VPIP: 11.11, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)
      Hero (BB): 182.44 BB
      UTG: 165.56 BB (VPIP: 15.69, PFR: 9.80, 3Bet Preflop: 6.25, Hands: 52)
      UTG+1: 131.72 BB (VPIP: 71.43, PFR: 57.14, 3Bet Preflop: 100.00, Hands: 7)
      MP: 144.88 BB (VPIP: 17.33, PFR: 11.44, 3Bet Preflop: 4.88, Hands: 411)
      MP+1: 124.8 BB (VPIP: 10.81, PFR: 5.41, 3Bet Preflop: 5.56, Hands: 38)
      MP+2: 222.52 BB (VPIP: 11.54, PFR: 6.92, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 131)
      CO: 105.6 BB (VPIP: 11.67, PFR: 10.00, 3Bet Preflop: 7.69, Hands: 60)

      SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

      Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 2:spade: 2:diamond:

      fold, UTG+1 raises to 3 BB, MP calls 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, BTN calls 3 BB, fold, Hero calls 2 BB

      Flop: (12.4 BB, 4 players) 2:club: 9:spade: Q:spade:
      Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, MP bets 5.92 BB, BTN raises to 29.6 BB, Hero raises to 179.44 BB and is all-in, fold, fold, BTN calls 71.92 BB and is all-in

      Turn: (221.36 BB, 2 players) K:spade:

      River: (221.36 BB, 2 players) A:heart:

      Hero shows 2:spade: 2:diamond: (Three of a Kind, Twos) (Pre 52%, Flop 98%, Turn 100%)
      BTN shows A:diamond: Q:heart: (Two Pair, Aces and Queens) (Pre 48%, Flop 2%, Turn 0%)
      Hero wins 213.36 BB


      hand 2: flopped FH slowplaying


      PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) - PokerStars

      Button ($6.88)
      SB ($15.29)
      BB ($32.68)
      UTG ($20.95)
      UTG+1 ($41.68)
      Hero (MP1) ($26.47)
      MP2 ($172.50)
      MP3 ($46.97)
      CO ($25.97)

      PT4 was not running but UTG is probably a fish(stacksize, 2x open UTG, playing on a tablet)
      Utg being fishy is part of reason I decided to call the 3bet, got good implieds vs fish and in a multiway
      flop I go for check-call, thinking raising would just scare him out of the pot
      On turn I decide to check, planning to check-raise AI
      is this the best line to take or could just calling be an option too. I guess I was to afraid of river being an actionkiller, and hard to get value from worse being oop and thought a flushdraw or overcards would still call this turnraise Does anyone has another line they would take, or is my reasoning flawed in a way?

      Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 4, 4
      UTG raises to $0.50, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.50, 1 fold, MP3 raises to $2, 4 folds, UTG calls $1.50, Hero calls $1.50

      Flop: ($6.35) 7, 4, 7 (3 players)
      UTG checks, Hero checks, MP3 bets $4.75, 1 fold, Hero calls $4.75

      Turn: ($15.85) 10 (2 players)
      Hero checks, MP3 bets $7.57, Hero raises to $19.72 (All-In), MP3 calls $12.15

      River: ($55.29) 6 (2 players, 1 all-in)

      Total pot: $55.29 | Rake: $2

      Results below:
      Hero had 4, 4 (full house, fours over sevens).
      MP3 had K, K (two pair, Kings and sevens).
      Outcome: Hero won $53.29


      hand 3 I was again a lucky :f_p: again trips


      PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST - Holdem - 9 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      pre I call against strong UTG-range giving me good implieds, esp when sb also enters the pot

      when sb mindonks this flop, I go for kinda big raise, would 5 or 6 bb also be enough?
      Turn I bet for protection
      river I check to induce bluffs from missed flushdraws, and it worked ;)

      BTN: 155.36 BB (VPIP: 19.56, PFR: 12.71, 3Bet Preflop: 1.22, Hands: 411)
      SB: 98.88 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
      Hero (BB): 111.96 BB
      UTG: 27.8 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
      UTG+1: 168.4 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
      MP: 150.44 BB (VPIP: 17.65, PFR: 12.75, 3Bet Preflop: 6.52, Hands: 107)
      MP+1: 113.04 BB (VPIP: 10.00, PFR: 5.56, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 91)
      MP+2: 73.76 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 50.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
      CO: 304.4 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 8.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 12)

      SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

      Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has A:diamond: 7:diamond:

      fold, UTG+1 raises to 2.48 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, SB calls 2.08 BB, Hero calls 1.48 BB

      Flop: (7.44 BB, 3 players) 7:heart: 8:heart: 7:club:
      SB bets 1 BB, Hero raises to 7.36 BB, UTG+1 calls 7.36 BB, SB calls 6.36 BB

      Turn: (29.52 BB, 3 players) 4:diamond:
      SB checks, Hero bets 19.72 BB, UTG+1 calls 19.72 BB, fold

      River: (68.96 BB, 2 players) 3:diamond:
      Hero checks, UTG+1 bets 36 BB, Hero calls 36 BB

      UTG+1 shows Q:heart: K:heart: (One Pair, Sevens) (Pre 44%, Flop 25%, Turn 16%)
      Hero shows A:diamond: 7:diamond: (Three of a Kind, Sevens) (Pre 56%, Flop 75%, Turn 84%)
      Hero wins 134.6 BB


      hand 4: cbetting dry board with A high


      on this occasion, I decided to check and then blufcatch ( runout was 8 en 3)
      However, HJ suggested I should make a cbet here
      I can certainly see some merit in cbetting here, but some people seem to agree it's better to check here.
      Do you cbet in this spot or take another line?
      ps in the open handforum I already got some excellent feedback on why to cbet, just wanted to know if anyone still likes to check here, and what their reasoning is

      BTN: 92.5 BB (VPIP: 26.67, PFR: 15.56, 3Bet Preflop: 12.50, Hands: 45)
      SB: 78.7 BB (VPIP: 16.13, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 33)
      BB: 99.3 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
      UTG: 53.4 BB (VPIP: 18.48, PFR: 10.99, 3Bet Preflop: 8.57, Hands: 96)
      Hero (UTG+1): 100 BB
      MP: 147.5 BB (VPIP: 6.67, PFR: 3.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 31)
      MP+1: 319.7 BB (VPIP: 47.37, PFR: 26.32, 3Bet Preflop: 25.00, Hands: 19)
      MP+2: 92.7 BB (VPIP: 13.33, PFR: 13.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 16)
      CO: 100 BB (VPIP: 7.88, PFR: 5.87, 3Bet Preflop: 2.40, Hands: 452)

      SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

      Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A:spade: Q:heart:

      fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, MP+2 calls 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, BB calls 2 BB

      Flop: (9.5 BB, 3 players) 8:spade: 2:diamond: 4:heart:
      BB checks, Hero ???
    • TJtheTJ
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      Great to see you starting up a blog in the English community as well :f_love:

      Will definitely be following!
    • vandeuren
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      Just a quick update on my first steps on NL25 with my brandnew hud ( was taking shots without Hud before) from last 3 days
      volume is bit low, but often only play 2 zoom tables now instead of 4, and been studying alot [bootcamp]



      redline is going down a bit, sometimes i still play a bit with "scared money" I guess, gotta work on gameplan for 3bet/4bet/5bet situations
      whenever I go for ultrathin value on river, like 1 or 2 bb, villains always call so they won't help me getting my redline up ;)
    • vandeuren
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      most of my poker time is going to study right now, but result over small sample is still good (6 buyins up in ev, 5,5 buyin up in green line over 2,7k hands last 4 days, giving me 21evbb/100 :) thank you beginners luck
      certainly nice to have a bit of an upswing here, cause is I had lost same amount in buyins I would probably have to move down to NL10 again. At least now I have sort of an extra buffer

      seem to be making big mistakes still, esp. early on in session ( eg when I hit set and still stack of even if it is obvious villain has a straight) after my first mistake I usually get back to my A-game, it's like I still have to switch of my NL2 mindset :)

      -hoping that despite of my errors ( and I still make alot of them), villains just make more errors than I do, and not that I'm just lucky now. hard to tell over such small sample of course, but thanx to bootcamp I'm hoping to improve my game (or make it just half decent for that matter), so by the time bad luck strikes hopefully my game will be bit better
      really like w34z3ls approach to the game, and considering to get a video review done by him, or a few hours of coaching

      gonna start on homework on iso-raising ranges, still see open limping a lot here, thought that would have almost been non-existing at this level, but luckily I'm wrong, and there is still a lot of fish.

      gonna go trough my database now, and pbb post some more hands for review
      hopefully I'll get feedback from one of you guys, if not I' m pbb posting the hands I really find worth while in the hand evaluation forum, and post the feedback here, if nothing else it will be easier for me to find all my reviewed hands

      my thoughts on the iso-ranges (bootcamp homework) until now:

      -4x or 5x depending on stacksizes( better smaller is we want small stack to pot ratio, like hands with more implieds and how fishy villain is ( if he calls superwide we can make smaller isorange with bigger sizing
      -take postflop expectation in consideration 2. if villain is folding to much to cbets, we can use wider range and larger sizing
      -more iso if you are in position
      -still use hands with decent equity, as villain will not fold easy to bluffs
      -use the standaard openranges from that postion, and put some more equityhands in
    • vandeuren
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      after 9k hands 5bb/100, but evbb is only around 1.8
      Not really crushing this level :f_biggrin: , but still happy to be around after 9k hands, loss was never bigger than 30$, my expected loss never below 10$, so I can keep this shot at NL25 going
      I do notice my winrate going up when only 1 or 2 tabling zoom, often do 2-tabling now after study
      also I'll play some NL10 to try and let bankroll grow

      Main focus is now still study, and my game seems to improve, become less bad that is

      Hud config now:
      VPIP/PFR/3bet/fold to 3bet/ fold to 4bet
      late position steal/ fold to steal/ 3bet steal / fold to 3bet after steal/ number hands
      cbet flop/fold to flop cbet/ cbet turn/ fold to cbet turn/af/rfi

      still have to catch up on bootcamp about hud: maybe I'll change it afterwards

      happy grinding
    • Hashkan
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      Kaptain Jack bahahah :D
      Good luck man will be following u :)
    • TJtheTJ
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      In your HUD, do you just have a general RFI stat (the last stat on your HUD)?

      I don't think that makes much sense as it doesn't really give you that much information. It would be much better to just remove that and get an extra line on your HUD with RFI for every position imo, or maybe put it in a pop up though I prefer it on my HUD directly.

      That can give you very useful information right off the bat without having to go into your popups which takes time. You can get information like a rough idea of villain's opening range and whether or not he's positionally aware (which you can use to tell if he's possibly a fish/weak reg).

      So that's just an idea :)
    • vandeuren
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      hey tino, thx for feedback on the hud, the rfi stat is kinda new to me, was just using it as kind of a general indicator, prob not the best way
      Play fullring so don't know if I can cram all that extra info on positions in hud, just getting used to this configuration :)
      but your probably right, will def look into that, too bad Bogdan coaching about hud is not available (yet i hope)

      another issue is my small sample size, still new on zoom NL25, eg I use Late position steal stats and not Bu or CO stats because the lp steal gets significant over smaller number of hands. guess with the rfi I was kinda following same logic

      maybe I'll use positional awareness stat as solution for now, because right now, I have little use for this stat (rfi) i have to admit
    • TJtheTJ
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      Hmm yeah, didn't think about the fact that it might be a bit too much on FR :)

      In the end you should just configure your HUD how you think is best for you so you can always try some things out and if you find you don't like it or you feel you can remove something or need to add something, you can do that. There's a fair bit of trial and error involved :)
    • vandeuren
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      Indd, my hud is still work in progress, as sample grows and my own game improves I plan to make changes to it

      note to self: must remember that playing at 1 at night is not the same as 1 in afternoon. Noticed that in the evening NL10 was a joke, villains stacking of top pair weak kicker stuff. This afternoon took me about 100 hands to loose all profit again to regs, then had to adjust and slowly grind it back
      In general I must work on distinguishing between fish and regs, as "population reads" goes I think villains are way more fishier in evening ( prob also weekends)

      my NL10 graph for last 2 days, the downfall was when i just started playing this afternoon :)

    • vandeuren
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      after 15k hands at Nl25 was about 5buyin up, ev was bit lower, was 4-tabling for most time

      been playing 6max today for first time, since I came from tournaments FR seemed logical choice, however it seems there are more people playing SH now, so if I ever want to get higher on zoom tables this seems right time to adapt
      also, there seems to be more vids and articles about SH, will help me to play more postflop ,..

      for my first day and 5k hands i got 5buyin on NL10 6max, hope i can continue this goodrun, Really like 6max more then FR, after one day already :)
    • vandeuren
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      just a quick overview of my stats at 6max, all comments are very welcome

      vpip 25/PFR 20/3bet 10 / fold to 3bet 70
      cbet flop 64/ cbet turn 50
      fold to cbet 40
      attempt to steal 40
      3bet steal 18
      fold to steal 67

      thx in advance
    • SDK1987
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      How's going lately on NL25?
      Your stats looks decent in mine opinion, but I’m a SNG fish :f_biggrin:
    • luca02
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      Originally posted by vandeuren
      just a quick overview of my stats at 6max, all comments are very welcome

      vpip 25/PFR 20/3bet 10 / fold to 3bet 70
      cbet flop 64/ cbet turn 50
      fold to cbet 40
      attempt to steal 40
      3bet steal 18
      fold to steal 67

      thx in advance
      seems solid.

      what about wtsd/wwsf/agf per street/pfr per position/etc?
    • vandeuren
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      general update: will not be playing alot this month, mostly will be practicing my 6max at 10nl, and rewatching weazel guide to micro
      will give an update at end of month
      if I can get a 5bb/100 hands winrate there and a semidecent sample size ( like 15k hands), I'll make switch to NL25 again at end of month



      @SDK thx for comment, things were going pretty decent at FR NL25, but winrate was around 1,5bb/100 after about 20k hands so needed some improvement

      decided to make switch to 6max, alot more action there, so If I ever wanted to go up to 100NL, seemed better to make transition now, also a lot more strategy about 6max
      because 6max is new to me I'm going back to NL10 to learn


      @Luca thx for feedback, here are other stats, there are not really useful I guess because I lately changed style a bit to get my redline fixed, so these stats are a mix of 2 playing styles ( redline did improve after I bet river for thin value instead of checking behind as I did too often)

      wtsd: 30
      won at showdown: 57 ( a bit to high I guess)
      positional awarness: 2.7

      agf per street is stat i cant find right now in Pt4, but I'll sure look into that if I have more time
    • SDK1987
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      Saw some posts of you in Dutch community.
      How is it going on the moment or in relaxing mode like me?