PLO - cash games, theory and general banter (oh and 20BI swings)

    • WhiteWalker
      WhiteWalker
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      Decided to start a new blog, my old one wasn't very well structure and focused too much on my session results. I want to focus on that but not entirely. At my stakes learning is very important and this is what it is going to log.

      This blog will focus more on general strategy and my going on's in life as opposed to my profit at the table. Ultimately at my level EV is something I am focusing on, making correct decisions at the table and understand where I am going wrong in my play.

      Poker Goals
      I will keep track of short term and long term goals here in order to track my progress. Short term can be linking in to watching coaching videos, long term can be to develop 3-betting ranges against different opponents etc.

      Short Term:
      - Bankroll to $500
      - Read Mastering Pot Limit Omaha - The Modern Aggressive Approach
      - Watch the 2x6 series.

      Long Term:
      - Understand theory behind PLO and how my raises or limps affect peoples ranges and build a mix of GTO/Exploitative playing style to crush the games.
      - Succeed at Uni.
      - Get in shape to start Rugby again.
      - Work on the UKIPT (being a Poker Dealer at the moment)
      - Get an Elite RIO membership.
      - Get Coaching from Kyyberi and potentially Skod (both coaches here at PS)

      I will refer to my short term goals on a daily basis to show you my progress.

      Progress Since June 01
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    • WhiteWalker
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      Improving non showdown winnings. Since June when I started playing PLO I have found that I am a tighter play but my aggression postflop is not the greatest. I am often passive in situations where good players would realise there equity vs villain and raise to get weaker to hero-call. I think previously I have just thought "Nothing better can call" find out it is a chop and then continue to thing "I could've stole that pot". Those situations arise a lot and are something I am going to be working on as well as construction good bluffs.

      Bluff - using blockers.
      I have began using blockers in my bluffs much more, for example when a flat a hand like JJ89 in SB or BB and board is QTx, I call and a K comes. I can often use blockers to my advantage, donking turn or raising turn depending on player and stack sizes.
      PokerStars - $0.05 PL Hi FAST (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 15.38, PFR: 7.69, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
      SB: 71.8 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 22.86, 3Bet Preflop: 1.82, Hands: 141)
      Hero (BB): 100 BB
      UTG: 142 BB (VPIP: 19.02, PFR: 11.05, 3Bet Preflop: 1.46, Hands: 396)
      MP: 87.4 BB (VPIP: 28.33, PFR: 17.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 125)
      CO: 104.8 BB (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 11.43, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 109)

      SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

      Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has J:spade: J:heart: 3:spade: 5:club:

      fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 3.4 BB, fold, Hero calls 2.4 BB

      Flop: (7.2 BB, 2 players) A:spade: K:diamond: 2:spade:
      Hero checks, BTN bets 6 BB, Hero calls 6 BB

      Turn: (19.2 BB, 2 players) T:club:
      Hero checks, BTN bets 14 BB, Hero raises to 31.6 BB, BTN calls 17.6 BB

      River: (82.4 BB, 2 players) 3:heart:
      Hero bets 59 BB and is all-in, fold

      Hero wins 79.2 BB


      I am going to be making sure my bluffs are well structured and logical as best as I can. Consider villains ranges and consider how much they will fold to a raise or river all in.
    • WhiteWalker
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      Hehe - Big pot at PLO2 ante. :f_drink:
      PokerStars - $0.02 Ante $0.01 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 5 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      CO: 222.5 BB (VPIP: 42.45, PFR: 17.45, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 212)
      BTN: 104.5 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 21.05, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 116)
      SB: 295 BB (VPIP: 39.58, PFR: 28.27, 3Bet Preflop: 23.53, Hands: 288)
      BB: 619 BB (VPIP: 94.03, PFR: 38.35, 3Bet Preflop: 31.34, Hands: 137)
      Hero (UTG): 446.5 BB

      SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB, 5 players post ante of 0.5 BB

      Pre Flop: (pot: 4 BB) Hero has 7:club: A:club: 6:spade: A:spade:

      Hero calls 1 BB, fold, BTN raises to 2 BB, SB raises to 10.5 BB, BB calls 9.5 BB, Hero raises to 46.5 BB, fold, SB calls 36 BB, BB calls 36 BB

      Flop: (144 BB, 3 players) K:spade: 4:diamond: 8:spade:
      SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets 93 BB, SB raises to 248 BB and is all-in, BB raises to 572 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 306.5 BB and is all-in

      Turn: (1191 BB, 3 players) 3:spade:

      River: (1191 BB, 3 players) 4:club:

      BB shows 9:spade: 2:diamond: 7:spade: 6:diamond: (Flush, King High)

      Main Pot [888 BB]: (Pre 25%, Flop 18%, Turn 0%)
      Side Pot#1 [303 BB]: (Pre 31%, Flop 18%, Turn 0%)

      Hero shows 7:club: A:club: 6:spade: A:spade: (Flush, Ace High)

      Main Pot [888 BB]: (Pre 48%, Flop 61%, Turn 100%)
      Side Pot#1 [303 BB]: (Pre 69%, Flop 82%, Turn 100%)

      SB mucks T:spade: 6:club: Q:spade: 8:club: (Flush, King High)

      Main Pot [888 BB]: (Pre 26%, Flop 21%, Turn 0%)

      Hero wins 1176 BB
    • WhiteWalker
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      Poker Progress

      Session Results


      Had an awesome session over the last two days :profit: . I played 1208 hands and profited a total of =$73.61. Fair to say I ran like god, but if you look at the previous hand I posted you could argue I just played straightforwardly and when you play against people like that money is a donation.

      Game Development

      Database Review :milord:
      So I am an avid follower of Blackrain79's blog from my NLH days, I saw an article on conduction a database review (here) and used it to find and compare the best players in my player pool. There was no surprise in the players I saw and two of them are people I talk to on a daily basis about the game.

      Points to improve: :pcuser:
      - Increase 3bet frequencies, preferrably IP but I will begin choosing spots much more OOP to, just because I am OOP does not mean a 3-bet is still profitable.
      - Increase attempts to steal from LP.
      - Increase VPIP in LP.
      - Increase 4bet+Ratio (basically the total number of hands in my range I 4-bet, e.g. I open 20% and 4-bet 5% of that 20% so my ratio is 1% of all hands).

      Focusing on points like this will help me structure my game much more and give it room to improve without aimlessly playing and auto-piloting. I will not just simply start 3-bet 100% on the button but this gives me structure to aim for in improving my game but this is only imitation, I will get to the point where theory and good understanding will take over at the higher stakes.

      Short Term Goals:
      - Bankroll: $310.29/500
      - 2x6 Series with Whitelime and Selbts: Episode 5/8


      Feelin' Good :yaoming:
    • WhiteWalker
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      Heard this and don't normally like dubstep but the narration just got me.


      Be rude not to show Kate Upton after the shoutout in the song!:coolface:
    • teddypoker
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      very nice structured this one, congrats and wish you good run :)

      PS: should I update the BR challenge with this blog? if so we are missing the last week updates :(
    • WhiteWalker
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      Yes if you could please. I will post the BR update in the thread now.
    • WhiteWalker
      WhiteWalker
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      I had a good session today, had some weird pots in 2PLO ante where I expect players to fold in standard spots but I forget all the deep ante players at 2PLO ante are stations and I should not bluff them. Calling 23 on A5467 etc :pcuser: , I just shouldn't bluff with 88/99xx in my hand as they call off. I will adjust accordingly against these opponents and put preflop pressure on them getting spr ~ 1 so I can gain the maximum c-bet success on lots of flops opponents will miss or be forced to fold.

      Session Results: +$11.86

      Game Development

      3-bet Percentages:pokerface:
      So I was focusing on widening my 3-bet range in certain spots, mainly IP but choosing to squeeze limps every so often as well as 3-bet hands with good play ability when there is a raise, call, call call call call you know.

      Increasing VPIP in LP:profit:
      So I increased the VPIP gap from EP to LP in my session today, increasing my steals. Increasing the frequency of hands with danglers in it potentially. Like opening JQK3ss which I would just automatically muck from UTG.

      I also upped my aggression factor.

      Short Term Goals:
      - 2x6 Series with Whitelime and Selbts: Episode 6/8
      - Bankroll: $318.64/500
    • WhiteWalker
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      General Ramblings
      So for a £230 deposit I can volunteer at Leeds! May just do it for the summer before I start University.


      Oh and I got in to University today! :appl: :truestory: Absolutely ecstatic.
    • Alexburg
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      Congrats
    • WhiteWalker
      WhiteWalker
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      Poker Progress

      Session Results


      The weekends results have been somewhat stale, running below EV but at least I know my play is good. It just happens sometimes where the Nutflush gets cracked on the river by someone boating up on both runs. Nightmare. Onwards and upwards though. :f_thumbsup:

      Bankroll Management
      From now on I am going to be considering everything in terms of big blinds and focusing on my play in general. If my play is successful then my bankroll will follow ($$$) so all I have to worry about is making the correct decisions in my play.

      My current BRM is to have 60BI at one level and shot take with 5BI at the level above, so for example; at 5PLO I must have $300 + $50 in order to take shots at 10PLO. This $50 will be segregated and will have the sole purpose of getting my stuck at 10PLO until I can move up. I have spoke to a couple of people and I am going to consider changing this to 40BI with 10BI shots, this is very aggressive for plo considering I have 5-10BI swings on a regular basis but it was definitely worth it for those I have spoke to.
    • WhiteWalker
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      Poker Progress

      Play for this weeks Get Rich or Die Tryin' has been great, from the 10-16th of August my downswing was over. Game was good but stagnated a little over the end of the week. I managed to put in 12,816 hands and ran around 14.67BB/100 EV All in Adjusted.



      Something I have been focusing on has been increasing my aggression in the games, it is on its way up from a relatively passive style ~2AF so I am pleased with that and it is making my non showdown winnings break-even, i believe.

      Short Term Goals:
      - 2x6 Series with Whitelime and Selbts: 7/8
      - Bankroll: $321.77/500
    • WhiteWalker
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      This opponent runs rediculously well against me and is the reason I am losing at deep ante games this month despite my EV being in profit. I get in these awkward spots but spots I am confident I am ahead of his range.

      Villains stats: 75/42 with AF of 3 but his c-bet is about 50/50/65 over 400 hands.

      I had an awkward river spot but it is one I think I am good enough, the issue is the turn sizing from villain and then the river sizing is awkward. These spots often only come up when out of position but I don't think I can fold 100% in this spot preflop and or on the flop as that would just be too exploitable.


      PokerStars - $0.02 Ante $0.01 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      MP: 333 BB (VPIP: 74.93, PFR: 42.30, 3Bet Preflop: 28.92, Hands: 394)
      CO: 239 BB (VPIP: 27.43, PFR: 2.36, 3Bet Preflop: 0.66, Hands: 345)
      BTN: 155.5 BB (VPIP: 21.67, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 8.70, Hands: 63)
      Hero (SB): 282 BB
      BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 31.97, PFR: 18.85, 3Bet Preflop: 1.41, Hands: 248)
      UTG: 871.5 BB (VPIP: 24.86, PFR: 15.30, 3Bet Preflop: 9.00, Hands: 529)

      Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB, 6 players post ante of 0.5 BB

      Pre Flop: (pot: 4.5 BB) Hero has 8:club: K:club: J:heart: 9:heart:

      fold, MP raises to 6.5 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 6 BB, BB raises to 29 BB, MP calls 22.5 BB, Hero calls 22.5 BB

      Flop: (90 BB, 3 players) K:spade: 8:heart: T:heart:
      Hero checks, BB checks, MP checks

      Turn: (90 BB, 3 players) 9:club:
      Hero checks, BB checks, MP bets 29 BB, Hero calls 29 BB, fold

      River: (148 BB, 2 players) 4:heart:
      Hero checks, MP bets 71.5 BB, Hero calls 71.5 BB

      What are your thoughts on this hand?
    • WhiteWalker
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      Game Development

      So this month I have been playing longer sessions and at times I should be asleep. My sleep schedule is a little messed up considering I work at a Casino so when I am off work for a couple of days I am just playing later than I should and not concentrating on sleep/ focusing on my game at that time. I have been sitting in a relaxed environment auto-piloting so I am going to make some adjustments to my schedule/game itself:

      [*] Sessions must be no longer than 2 hours at whcih point there will be a 10-15 minute break
      [*] I will not be playing after work as I am not in the frame of mind to playing having been up for 18 or so hours.
      [*] Sleep will come before play, I will play in the morning/afternoon more from now on.


      I think these changes will help me a lot more, especially considering I will be starting University in September so it should benefit me in the long run.
    • iSoOwnYou
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      Nice blog! Good idea about playing at the right times and not autopiloting. I can understand the sleep schedule issues and playing pattern time issues you've mentioned. Having decided to pretty much focus on poker now, I can choose when I sleep and wake, a little different from you at Uni I guess - but I find I prefer sleeping in the day and playing in the evening! I am turning into a night owl :f_frown:

      Good luck with your blog will follow your progress.
    • WhiteWalker
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      Originally posted by iSoOwnYou
      I find I prefer sleeping in the day and playing in the evening! I am turning into a night owl :f_frown:

      Good luck with your blog will follow your progress.
      Thanks iSoOwnYou, yeh sleeping during the day is likely better for volume vs a softer field but currently at my stakes there are fish on 24/7 so I don't think that really applies to me. But working in a casino I totally understand the sleeping aspect, I work 4days a week, and then on the 4th day just stay up for something like 28 hours in order to re-affirm my normal sleeping pattern, it is tough but its something I just gotta do.
    • WhiteWalker
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      Game Development

      Plugging Leaks


      So I was just talking to a few peers about some spots I am not sure whether to squeeze from when OOP or just flat and was referred to the great series PLO from Scratch to cover the topic. The topic was as follows:
      How should I play small run downs out of position in a multi-way pot.
      The answer was surprising, fold was the general consensus. This just links to playing nutted hands OOP, when I flop well I am often going to find it hard to be drawing to the nuts and getting paid off will be particular difficult out of position especially against loose passive opponents who tend not to bet unless they are strong, as a result x/raising isn't viable in these spots against the general player pool at micros because aggression is lacking and I cannot build the pot this way.

      It was just something I wanted to share and a spot I was finding difficult and even 3-betting in some cases which was just not +EV.
    • WhiteWalker
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      Calvin Harris just doesn't stop making tune after tune. Focusing to this during my sessions at the moment.
    • WhiteWalker
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      General Ramblings

      Getting FPP Rewards be like:

    • Kyyberi
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      Originally posted by WhiteWalker

      Bluff - using blockers.
      I have began using blockers in my bluffs much more, for example when a flat a hand like JJ89 in SB or BB and board is QTx, I call and a K comes. I can often use blockers to my advantage, donking turn or raising turn depending on player and stack sizes.
      PokerStars - $0.05 PL Hi FAST (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 15.38, PFR: 7.69, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
      SB: 71.8 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 22.86, 3Bet Preflop: 1.82, Hands: 141)
      Hero (BB): 100 BB
      UTG: 142 BB (VPIP: 19.02, PFR: 11.05, 3Bet Preflop: 1.46, Hands: 396)
      MP: 87.4 BB (VPIP: 28.33, PFR: 17.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 125)
      CO: 104.8 BB (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 11.43, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 109)

      SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

      Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has J:spade: J:heart: 3:spade: 5:club:

      fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 3.4 BB, fold, Hero calls 2.4 BB

      Flop: (7.2 BB, 2 players) A:spade: K:diamond: 2:spade:
      Hero checks, BTN bets 6 BB, Hero calls 6 BB

      Turn: (19.2 BB, 2 players) T:club:
      Hero checks, BTN bets 14 BB, Hero raises to 31.6 BB, BTN calls 17.6 BB

      River: (82.4 BB, 2 players) 3:heart:
      Hero bets 59 BB and is all-in, fold

      Hero wins 79.2 BB

      Problem here is your betsizing. If your opponent has a flush draw or a set, you give him the odds to call. So therefore your opponent doesn't make a mistake. And if he doesn't make a mistake, you don't win any money in the long run.