ready for dePLOyment - Draft for PLO25

    • Rhodriguez
      Rhodriguez
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      Entry #1 - prelude

      After playing two times a month I did take part in the pokerstrategy Level Up promotion. Despite I crossed the finish line to get to the gold status all by myself it was fun experience. A low volume but a steady; and for a recreational player like me - a manageable one. And hey I got an additional 20 bucks! And they are already spend on a new Kindle or at least its protection cover. Finally I will be able to read Jeff Hwang as my old first generation Kindle suffered from a blunt force trauma months ago - soon after I bought the book.

      And now I am infected, in a positiv way, again with the poker virus. So I thought I will conquer my fear of writing and start blogging. Along with "mastering" PLO which was always something I wanted to accomplish, I also wanted to improve my English writing skills. So I take this oppurtunity and start this Get Rich or Die Tryin' - Bankroll Challange to get a little bit closer toward these two goals.

      As stipulating some rules in the beginning will give the blog a professional and legit aura I will do exactly that. And maybe this has and a self-commitment effect - keep your fingers crossed.

      I will have a virtual "segregated" PLO-cashgame-Bankroll within my poker money and therefore I won't count anything from the VIP program or promos towards my progression because it may come from other variants I still love to play. As I have an account on different networks, I will for my convenience rename everything to USD and till I reach the threshold of 1250 USD the exchange rate will be 1 : 1. But this rule will only be evoked when I put high volume on two sites. The starting point are 40 buy-ins on the PLO2 level.

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      Summary: PLO from 80.00USD up to 1250.00USD.
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      Next Post: my thought on my bankroll management.
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    • SvenBe
      SvenBe
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      Howdy Rhodriguez,

      welcome to the BR challenge, as well as welcome to the forum. What have you done all these years without posting?

      CU around,SvenBe
    • Rhodriguez
      Rhodriguez
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      response #1

      The answer to your question isn't something extraordinary. In the beginning I was lurking over there in the german community and treated it like a read-only mailinglist. I got a lot of great inputs. The next stop was one of these US poker instruction video sites where I joined. But watching videos and playing or even grinding was too time consuming. So I enjoyed the discussions like someone would listen to a football podcast or reading the opinion of a journalist in the newspaper. At first a short hand discussion may have happend during a lecture when the professor was too boring. But eventually the workload at the university increased, got interested in sport as a new hobby and became an instructor in our club. So there was no time left to nuture poker as a hobby or at least on a regular basis in a proficient way. There were some poker mantra which always accompanied me and I could use them as good advice for competitions.

      Forward to last April I received one of these pokerstrategy promotion emails and this time I not only followed the link and skimmed through the forum I also took the chance to grab the money bag. Unfortunately I couldn't clear all of the needed points in time so it was deducted but still had a very small amount left and with a small transfer from an other account sufficent to take part in previous post mentioned promotion. I had the insight that poker really could again be something that is pleasant. While this happend, I had to start shuttle between two towns. To pass the time and that this hassle wouldn't be a total waste I started solving the Battleship Puzzle, the binary sudoku which are called Takuzu and in the end the regular Sudoku from the newspaper and magazines. And had I ask myself: "why do you like these puzzles? What else could you solve?" The answer was: "I simply love the process of deductive reasoning." As a child, for me all Sherlock Holmes stories have been a highlight and I really loved deductive reasoning. And I also enjoyed solving these logical puzzles were you have about five statements. But even when I remembered that I wasn't very good in hand reading I thougt to myself: "maybe you should try to apply this process to poker again." And so, here I am back, with a little spare time, at least till february.
    • Rhodriguez
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      progression report #1

      To my poker play yesterday:

      [result]
      Up a Stack for the next level PLO5. Tommorrow you all will know that I want to have four more before I try a first shot at PLO5. Had really good flops and all was pretty straight forward. There are maybe three or four hands which I maybe shouldn't fold preflop from the CO.

      [observation]
      As I only played at one table this means I had over 350BB and felt uncomfortable with it. Because I keep hearing a voice in the back of my head: "be caution! You don't know how to play with deep stacks! You don't have the experience yet! Nor do you know enough about the implications." So I left.

      [valuation of adjustments]
      A few days ago I started with kyyberi's video: Become unexPLOitable: Is math that important?
      I tried to experiment with different c-bet sizes on the flop and open raises preflop.

      My verdict:
      While for the flop play I can't provide numbers, I can say I was much more comfortable to continue on the Turn than compared to the more and less stiff sizes. This approach provided me with more possible plans and room to wiggle on later streets.
      But Preflop; for my skill level, I can't agree and I'm not convinced that changing open raise sizes is good for me or my winrate. To improve my flop play further is more important and after I'm "solid" there I will may come back to this idea. For now I get enough action with my hand selection.

      [next step]
      ♠ get a better idea about deep stacks – because I hope this this situation will happen more often
      ♣ continue to watch kyyberi – he rephrases the concepts very well
      ♦go through the index of my PLO book and choose a interessting topic – get a new impulses for my play
      ♥ gathering information about me preflop CO – maybe I can loosen up?

      Edit: link added for convenience
    • Rhodriguez
      Rhodriguez
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      Entry #2 - my thought on my bankroll management

      A few days ago I watched the two bankroll management videos: Tankroll BRM and Holiday Bankroll Management. I liked the approach of first one. Unfortunately I only fullfill three of the four requirements. Yes, I'm willing to work on my game. I would say moving down doesn't have a negative impact on me. To support this claim I would make a comparison to video games. I prefer those with permadeath and their hardcore modes. I treat this like a 4x game and like Caesar said I try to expand by divide and conquer. The third check box I can tick off is that I can spare the money. My livelyhood doesn't depend on my poker skills. And chapeau to those who are able to to that but for this isn't a goal. And now to the bullet point I missed. Regarding to my skills I am a beginner. As I don't have a time constrainments I hope I can compensate this by a quick accumulation of experience on these stakes. I also will add the idea of a grinding phase and expand the defence line to the next stake. Unfortunately I don't remember who I should thank for this concept.

      Yes my dear reader, I know Omaha has more swings than NLH. So I won't implement the 5.5 to 11 stacks that are suggested in the article. I increase my requirements between 21 and 40.

      I start with 40 buy-ins. After winning 5 buy-ins of the next level I will already try a first shot on the next for no longer till I have lost these 5 rounds. I can do that because I only play at one table at once. If I am successfull at the new stake I won't go up with next 5 buy-ins but will keep playing that level till I have a new defence line of 40 buy-ins. With this new defence line I will start to get the first bullets for the next step.

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      PLO2 80 to 105
      PLO5 105 to 250
      PLO10 250 to 525
      PLO25 525 to 1250
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      PLO50 1250

      So I have accomplished my first goal just before the premier shots to PLO50.

      The justifications for these shots are, that I want to get as soon as possible first impressions of the new stakes. I may see sooner which players on my stakes mix their stakes already with the next one. If I lose the money I can say it's like I had taken a coaching session.

      Even I have no time limit, I played a little bit with my spread sheet. My conclusion is when I play every other day I could reach the goal on 29th of february. If and only if there are no setbacks. I'm eager to see how much more time It will take than the calculated three months.

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      Summary: BRM 40 stacks and additinal 10 stacks for shots.
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    • Rhodriguez
      Rhodriguez
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      progression report #2

      I just wanted to give you a quick report and share a peculiar observation I made. Maybe I shouldn't because I will look like a fool.

      Last day wasn't as fun as it could have been. First it seems like I wasn't ready to play. Beginning a session only 15minutes after being back at home from workout was apperently a too short time period to make the mental transition and so I spewed more chips than necessary. Afterwards I made a comeback but lost a lot of all-ins where I was a big favourite. Fortunately these times the villains stacks weren't as big as mine. In the beginning I said: "yeah that is good. Such decisions are where my money will come from". But defeat after defeat I have to admit it began a little nagging on me.

      I specially lost money in pots where I hold for example pocket tens and my opponent needed another ten to beat me. It may be a leak but first I have to check how often I won in these situations on the river without getting a call. An other construction site is revaluating if I really block some outs of their big redraws. But to be honest I don't want to be much tighter because I'm peddling already.

      And now to my observation. On some boards I c-bet or took initiative with the argumentation: "how could that flop have helped any decent starting hand?" And not even a second later I realised: "oh, this flop really connects well with my four cards." Hence I have to be more carefully which cards I play. In PLO8 I learnt to imagine how a flop should look and how likely it is to see such a flop. Doing the same in PLO will improve my play too.

      That is it for now. I don't know yet if there will be an other post before my first mandatory update next monday.
    • Rhodriguez
      Rhodriguez
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      1225 hands
      + $5.28
      $85.28
      1 weeks
    • Rhodriguez
      Rhodriguez
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      Joined: 01.10.2006 Posts: 241
      Entry #3 - the first week
      progression report #3

      How is it going? On week is over and time for a short review. The numbers say that I'm a winning player at the old fashioned regular tables and a losing one on the variant of the fast PLO.

      So the question is why do I lose money? For now let's put the finger on two issues. First - and I don't know why - I don't mind where the button is as much as I do it on the normal ones. So the flop is only a desaster waiting to happen. The next step is to get the feeling of the positions with only a glimpse.

      Secondly I may have "over adjusted" the idea of different c-bet sizes. The updated me is c-betting way too many flops. I don't have the self-restraint needed because I don't fear one of my opponents will catch my hand in the cookie jar. The consequence is I'm not only playing more turns but also turns with a broader variety of textures than used to and all that without the experience I need. In a RPG game the recommondation would be: leave this castle and return back to this area after you leveled up and put some of skill points into the turn play branch.

      When will I cross the finish line? The new estimation is adjusted up to the 21st of august which is an increase of the factor three. And most likely will be way off too. Because we have to keep in mind that up to now no shots were fired. And I have been told that those first swings on the next stake will be more nasty than I'm willing to accept.

      Now I want or even need something like a decision tree to select hands for a review. The numbers and filters provided are too much and overwhelming. Only to sort the history by biggest loser is unrewarding. Maybe I have an idea - will keep you updated.

      And at last maybe I will also start posting graph porn in the near but not nearest future. But thank you for mentioninge me in the article.

      My homework for this week:
      ♠ finally do last weeks homework!
      ♣ play less games from your steam library!
      ♦ improve your preflop postion awareness!

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      Summary: If you are not a professional you will break things while fixing them.
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    • Rhodriguez
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      Entry #4 - is it worth the time

      No, don't be fooled by the title. I still go on. The last two or threeish days I was playing around with a spreadsheet and tried to write a scripts that will help me to filter the histories in a way that fits better to me (and for no one else in the world is helpful). One approach was that it will chunk down the data to chewable pieces. It's better do have small increments than none at all. Hopefully it will provide me every day with an other topic for a report. Eventually I will go fancy and the script will create me a questionnaire. So no more sudoku while shutteling - only PLO. And the last steps is me posting a hand discussion!

      But why did I choose this title for my post?
      Because the topic reminded me of comic from the famous xkcd:


      The permalink to to the comic - as there is an additional wit when you mouse over the picture.

      If the numbers are reasonable and I could spend even three days more. It needs only be saving five minutes every day and that investment will pay-off till 2020. And It will probably not only shave off time there has to be a impact on my my winrate too. I'm sure about it.

      But I will tell you a little secret. It already paid out in full. As it was so much fun to write and I'm really happy what I have accomplished so far. And an another side-effect is - it drives me on to play as I want to my script. I allready crushed the number of hands played compared to last week.

      This most likely sounds strange. But I don't want to dillute this post with some talk about my PLO experiences. So either this or some comments on advises I received will be a topic for a future post. So this post has the sole pupose to prime my brain to the proper work ethics.

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      summary: time investments are bets on an improved winrate and/or hourly in the future
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    • Rhodriguez
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      Entry #5 - mason malmuths slap in our face - to tilt us or just a wake up call

      Let's call it a coincidence. This night I watched the Poker Life Podcast with guest Mason Malmuth. And one of the topic they scratched was more or less about work ethics. The essence I got out of his statements was that it's more benefical to improve your understanding of the game than trying to defeat tilt. I know this is bold statement and the approach probably contradicts a lot of perceptions. On one side not everything you call tilt is really tilt. It may just not be as profitable compared to when you play perfect. But it still was a rational choice. On the other hand he doubts very much that you can implement these techniques when you really tilting or even can success at all with just a few breaths of air. Maybe the reason you are losing doesn't lie in fact that you are tilting. But rather villain has more strategies in his arsenal. To the third and last but for me the most condescending argument: if you really would understand how the game works you just wouldn't tilt. Gathering information about the the game cures the root while fighting against tilt only eases the symptoms.

      First I wanted to comment a little more. But while writing this post I realised that I'm still composing my thougts and am on the process of undertand it in full.

      A second funny topic was - drum roll please - his scepticism about hand histories. Too much hand histories will make you nuts.

      Seriously, first I wanted to call this post progression report #3. But over again it doesn't feel appropriate. So just a telegram. Made some overdue asjustment which seem to pay off naturally as they were really basic leaks.

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      summary: an upcoming battle is better faced with an improved game plan than a changed behaviour just out of fear.
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    • Rhodriguez
      Rhodriguez
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      Joined: 01.10.2006 Posts: 241
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    • Rhodriguez
      Rhodriguez
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      Joined: 01.10.2006 Posts: 241
      progression report #4

      Let's do segments again. I need more structure it's too much laissez faire right now and little too less focus. Past Sunday the last video to that topic I watched was Learning To Learn - Focus. But to be honest, besides the task in the middle of the video I didn't give the video a chance to have a positive influence on my game.

      [result]
      Was so close for a first level up and then slowly swinging further away. But back on on track again to retain my gold level.

      [what I tried]
      I don't know if this was a good idea but I did it anyway. I compared the stats of winning oppents had and [1] skewed my my 'playing style' towards theirs.
      Secondly one leak was replaced by an other. For example [2] I attempted to get rid of playing in any 3-bet pot. And [3] didn't make on 5th street, at least what I thought were, thin value bets and decided to call OOP any bet rather than get reraised and avoided getting check-raised IP.

      [valuation of adjustments]
      My positional awareness improved a lot.
      [1] didn't implement. But realised how tight some players are. As result there eventually will be a preflop strategy of my own.
      [2] defending my blinds on the flop seems more successful than preflop. At least according to my gut - crunching the numbers maybe a next step.
      [3] mistakes aren't so costly and I hope that the wasted fold equity will be overcompensated by a better understanding of their hand strenghts.

      My verdict:
      Till now; none. I shouldn't change so many issues at the same time => better focus on one adjustment and being able to isolate their impact better.

      [next steps]
      ♠ gradually start with an schedule to plan sessions|training|review
      ♣ a better way to stack interesting articles and blog posts to process them gradually
      ♥ mind map
      ♦ log how long my attention span is and increase it over the time
      ►I shouldn't use 'I' in so many sentences.
    • Rhodriguez
      Rhodriguez
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      Joined: 01.10.2006 Posts: 241
      2556 hands
      + $0.83
      $91.95
      3 weeks
    • Rhodriguez
      Rhodriguez
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      2867 hands
      + $0.39
      $92.34
      4 weeks
    • Rhodriguez
      Rhodriguez
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      progression report #5

      Very small baby steps. Since last post the gold status is secured and my last achievable step in the VIP program has reached. This out of the way now I'm ready again to be a chicken and pot pot pot.

      Meanwhile I was reading a lot and got some inputs by watching videos. But this afternoon was kind of frustrating. I read some advices that were contradicting against most I've learned till now about betting the flop. But fortunately this doubts disappeared when I actually was sitting at the tables and played for myself. It seems like I could distinguish when to use which gameplan. Nevertheless it is still a walk on a tightrope.

      I didn't improve my preflop game as far as planned but I don't feel bad about this as my flop play has improved a lot.

      For the marginal profits over the past two weeks I only have to 'blame' myself. I make rookie mistakes and realising them just after I did them. To look on the bright side - I'm not clueless, have a lot of confidence and know how to improve.

      In the spirit of new years resolutions I set up a schedule starting - actually when I wake up next morning. There is absolutely no need to wait till Friday. But for next year there also will be an attempt to unbend myself and share more about my games. Maybe till now everything was a little bit shallow.

      My next blog post will be right after the first mandatory report of 2016.

      Till then - enjoy New Year's Eve!
    • T3rMiT3
      T3rMiT3
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      Joined: 29.02.2008 Posts: 3,328
      Hello,

      Are you still following this gameplan:
      PLO2 80 to 105
      PLO5 105 to 250
      PLO10 250 to 525
      PLO25 525 to 1250
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      PLO50 1250

      You are at PLO2 for the moment?
      What kind of tables are you playing? Regular or zoom? How many at a time?

      TY!
    • Rhodriguez
      Rhodriguez
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      Yes I'm still stick to this plan - for zoom at least. Also playing regular tables on iPoker which lowest stakes are PLO4.
      In the beginning I wanted to play only one zoom table but now I have increased it to two.

      I cramed a lot, plugged leaks and am self-assured. If I continue this behaviour I will treat myself with the first hands on PLO5 next monday.

      Hopefully you stop by again soon!

      On an other topic.
      when I post hand histories - would you rather
      [A] read OOP brags
      [B] read standard lines (which I tried to implement from books / articles / videos)

      Maybe there is a response and else I will roll a dice.
    • Rhodriguez
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    • T3rMiT3
      T3rMiT3
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      Hello!

      Almost the bankroll for NL5 shots... did you had the chance to take the shot today? If so, how was it?

      Cheers!
    • Rhodriguez
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      progression report #5

      Prior to that I played one more PLO2 two session - and managed to get my required 105USD.

      And then I tried my first shot on PLO5 and the result was:


      At least I have still enough for a 2nd barrel tomorrow. Else back to PLO2 and the drawing table.