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Raise for value or way ahead way behind?

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Washdogg
Joined: 12.05.2008

PokerStars - $0.02 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 121.5 BB (VPIP: 14.63, PFR: 14.63, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 42)
SB: 108.5 BB (VPIP: 40.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)
BB: 118.5 BB (VPIP: 28.13, PFR: 28.13, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 34)
UTG: 102 BB (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 8.33, Hands: 28)
Hero (MP): 100 BB
CO: 116.5 BB (VPIP: 4.55, PFR: 4.55, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 22)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 2♥ 2♦

fold, Hero raises to 2.5 BB, fold, fold, SB calls 2 BB, fold

Flop: (6 BB, 2 players) A♥ J♣ 9♦
SB checks, Hero bets 3 BB, SB calls 3 BB

Turn: (12 BB, 2 players) 5♦
SB checks, Hero checks

River: (12 BB, 2 players) 2♠
SB bets 18 BB, Hero?


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Apollos92
Joined: 09.02.2016

You should raise for value. Why would you think that you are behind? He cannot have a straight so only a better set beats you. However you cannot assume he have a better set. There are many more 1-pair and 2-pair combinations that he can have and any 2-pair combination will probably call you raise. You are missing out on a lot of value by only calling the river.

Also I'm not sure I like your c-bet on the flop. This flop hit his range quite well and he can call with a lot of draws.


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corsc
Joined: 03.11.2009

I believe if the villian was slow playing trips on the flop then they would be the turn.

All draws missed and that would only leave 2 pair (AJ, A9) which you beat.

I would call and be happy with my play regardless of the outcome.

Edit:. I wouldn't raise for value as I think the only callers we would get beat us


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Apollos92
Joined: 09.02.2016

Originally posted by corsc
I believe if the villian was slow playing trips on the flop then they would be the turn.

All draws missed and that would only leave 2 pair (AJ, A9) which you beat.

I would call and be happy with my plat regardless of the outcome

I would not exclude a set entirely. He is out of position so checking the turn follows logically from the previous round since he check-called the flop. He might have planned to check-raise the turn but Hero did not bet. And I don't agree that we should just call the river. There are many hands worse then Hero's that might call a raise. In fact I can imagine he could call preflop with A9, AJ and J9. also If Villain is a weak player he will probably call a raise with weaker hands than a 2-pair.


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Alleen86
Joined: 27.05.2010
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Tomaloc
Joined: 17.01.2011

sick call is ok, i kinda wanna minraise/fold but i'd find this really hard to fold honestly.
i say call. villain isn't capped at all so facing a shove is hard, just comes down to guessing how fishy he is


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Dadramel
Joined: 10.08.2014

If you want to throw his Jx 9x out, you must consider betting twice


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Hesticus
Joined: 24.06.2008
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Washdogg
Joined: 12.05.2008

Originally posted by Dadramel
If you want to throw his Jx 9x out, you must consider betting twice

In my experience at these limits Jx is never folding without either two large barrels or three 1/2 pot barrels. One stab was to protect against overcards hitting their pairs and maybe him folding a 9 or 33-88, would have probably barrelled a blank on the river as well.

Originally posted by Hesticus
he showed 34o? :f_biggrin:
I'd call here

I raised for value and got shoved on. Villain showed 99 for some FeelsBadMan :f_cry:


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Well, the main point is that after the turn x he overbets river. That is why I like the call more.


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Apollos92
Joined: 09.02.2016

Originally posted by nitrol
Well, the main point is that after the turn x he overbets river. That is why I like the call more.

Missed entirely that he shoved the river, thought he was betting normal size. Alright then calling is best.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

He is not shoving but overbetting.


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Hesticus
Joined: 24.06.2008

For sure, calling is best here as better hands raise


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

I'm amazed that raising is even being considered here.


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