# [NL2-NL10] NL25 c-bet questions

• Bronze
Joined: 19.01.2009
Known players:
Position:
Stack
MP2:
\$2.90
Hero:
\$4.20

0.1/0.25 No-Limit Hold'em (6 handed)
Hand recorder used for this poker hand: PokerStrategy Elephant 0.67 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

Preflop: Hero is BU with K , Q
MP2 calls \$0.25, 2 folds, Hero raises to \$1.25, 2 folds, MP2 calls \$1.00.

Flop: (\$2.85) 7 , A , J (2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero bets \$2.95 (All-In), MP2 calls \$1.65 (All-In), Hero gets uncalled bet back.

Turn: (\$6.15) 2
River: (\$6.15) 5 (2 players)

Final Pot: \$6.15

In this hand, I raised with KQ in BU, and the flop came with me holding a trash hand. C-bet rules vs. 1 opponent call for me to bet 2/3 pot, but as 2/3 of 2.85 is around 1.9, and that is more than half my chips (2.95), I push them all in right away.

Several questions:

1) I wanted to confirm that this is the correct play.
2) I understand the math behind that if I'm betting 2/3 of the pot, I need to be successful 40% of the time to make money. In this situation where I am forced to push all in due to the rules, does my math change? Since I am now betting 2.95 to win 2.85 (and with trash I might often be behind) I have a feeling that this is a mathematically a -ev play, is this correct?
3) Which lead to my next question, should I have just bet 2/3 of the pot and not all in?
4) Under SSS, even at a higher level, do I ever have discretion as to whether to c-bet vs. 1 opponent? Can I use his stats, and the board texture to determine whether to cbet? Or do I HAVE to cbet in this situation vs. 1 opponent

Thanks,

Will
• 6 replies
• Bronze
Joined: 16.01.2009
If your playing SSS you would not raise with KQs. I would not go All-In with that flop.
• Bronze
Joined: 19.01.2009
Originally posted by Dante63s
If your playing SSS you would not raise with KQs.
According to the SSS SHC, KQ is a raise in late position if no raises before me, right?
• Bronze
Joined: 02.07.2008
KQs has always been a raise from BU.

1) I wanted to confirm that this is the correct play.

Yes it is, nh.

2) I understand the math behind that if I'm betting 2/3 of the pot, I need to be successful 40% of the time to make money. In this situation where I am forced to push all in due to the rules, does my math change? Since I am now betting 2.95 to win 2.85 (and with trash I might often be behind) I have a feeling that this is a mathematically a -ev play, is this correct?

You are pushing to maximize fold equity since your stack is almost the size of the pot then it's just better to push it all in. It is true that it has to work more often to be profitable but let's say the flop you cbet 2/3 pot and the guy reraises ( not this guy since he is very short ) then you have to call for your gutshot/overcards or whatever so it's better to just push. remember you are also pushing your aces here

3) Which lead to my next question, should I have just bet 2/3 of the pot and not all in?

2/3 also puts him all in

4) Under SSS, even at a higher level, do I ever have discretion as to whether to c-bet vs. 1 opponent? Can I use his stats, and the board texture to determine whether to cbet? Or do I HAVE to cbet in this situation vs. 1 opponent

The highest level I've played is nl100 , I don't think you should worry about higher limits at the moment.
you can use stats and board texture to make your desitions , of course, but to not cbet you need a good sample size , and a very good reason to not cbet , you have to cbet in heads up pots almost 100% of the times

edit: are you playing SH ? or the table got short?
• Bronze
Joined: 19.01.2009
edit: are you playing SH ? or the table got short?
The table got short. I didn't even notice that before.

Thanks so much for your thoughtful advice. There were a couple things I wanted to respond to/discuss further though.

re 3) Yes, you are correct, 2/3 puts him in also, didnt' notice that before. But for argument's and learning sake, what if he was a big stack?

re 4) Forgive my phrasing, I should have meant at a more "advanced" level (higher understanding) of play, not necessarily higher limit. For instance, in the silver article "continuation bets," it says that high suitedness + high connectivity means bad for c-bet (actually not sure if this is a BSS article, since it doesn't say). Furthermore, the article states that a player must be able to lay down his/her hand if I'm going to cbet. In this case, villian is loose (VP\$IP=43), low AF (0.9) and WTS high (28). Would this make him a calling station? At a more advanced level of play, do these two factors change the way that I play this hand?
• Bronze
Joined: 02.07.2008
against a big stack, then go by the rules and push