[Closed] QTc CO - monster draw on turn

Well let's see

On the turn you have pot odds 1.75 : 2.34 ~ 1 : 1.34 With this you need 57% breakeven equity.

If you equilate your hand you will see that you don't have over 50% against any one pair hand. For example:

Equity Win Tie Loss Hand
Player 1: 47,727 % 47,727 % 0,000 % 52,273 % QcTc
Player 2: 52,273 % 52,273 % 0,000 % 47,727 % 8d3d

You're not even ahead of a turned pair of 8s with no kicker
So you need to fold here, despite the draw

Preflop: Isolate them, raise it up or just fold. I don't like to call here.
Flop: OK.
Turn: Fold, I don't like such big variance. Only one card is coming.

Originally posted by Fongie
Well let's see

On the turn you have pot odds 1.75 : 2.34 ~ 1 : 1.34 With this you need 57% breakeven equity.

If you equilate your hand you will see that you don't have over 50% against any one pair hand. For example:

Equity Win Tie Loss Hand
Player 1: 47,727 % 47,727 % 0,000 % 52,273 % QcTc
Player 2: 52,273 % 52,273 % 0,000 % 47,727 % 8d3d

You're not even ahead of a turned pair of 8s with no kicker
So you need to fold here, despite the draw

Aren't I getting 42% pot odds? Call $1.75 to recieve $4.10=1.75/4.10=42%

it's 1:75:2:34 and not 1.75/4.10 because at the turn, when villain went all-in, you haven't committed that last 1.75 yet. The amount in the pot was $2.34. So, you're not really commiting 1.75 to win 4.10, because you're actualy still holding that 1.75. If you fold, you keep the 1.75. however, the 2.34 already in the pot is different, it's not money that u have control over. so that's why you're investing 1.75(which you control) to win the 2.34 that you dont' control.

Originally posted by williamtywong
it's 1:75:2:34 and not 1.75/4.10 because at the turn, when villain went all-in, you haven't committed that last 1.75 yet. The amount in the pot was $2.34. So, you're not really commiting 1.75 to win 4.10, because you're actualy still holding that 1.75. If you fold, you keep the 1.75. however, the 2.34 already in the pot is different, it's not money that u have control over. so that's why you're investing 1.75(which you control) to win the 2.34 that you dont' control.

+1
I had difficulties with this in the start aswell, but I just think of it as paying my calling amount to win the amount that's already been put in the pot.

I recommend this article:
http://www.pokerstrategy.com/strategy/fixed-limit/1219/

Dunno why there isn't one in the NL section

Originally posted by Fongie
Well let's see

On the turn you have pot odds 1.75 : 2.34 ~ 1 : 1.34 With this you need 57% breakeven equity.

If you equilate your hand you will see that you don't have over 50% against any one pair hand. For example:

Equity Win Tie Loss Hand
Player 1: 47,727 % 47,727 % 0,000 % 52,273 % QcTc
Player 2: 52,273 % 52,273 % 0,000 % 47,727 % 8d3d

You're not even ahead of a turned pair of 8s with no kicker
So you need to fold here, despite the draw

I correct myself by the way, I blame tiredness.. Of course you don't need 57% breakeven equity (this is impossible unless you can lose more than villain in a hand ), you need 42,7%. As you see you're still only breakeven against a turned pair of 8s before rake (with rake it's -ev), and behind against most made hands. So you still need to fold