All in or not all in? That is the question

    • whiston
      whiston
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      In a live tournament recently we had got down to the last 5, on the bubble.
      Blinds were going up in 2k increments every 15 mins. (approx. 6 or 7 hands per level).
      Situation
      SB 35k
      BB 40k
      UTG 75k
      Me 58k
      D 40k
      Blinds 3k/6k
      UTG (loose) raises to 12k. I have TT and reraise all in. All pass to UTG who calls (with QJo). It transpires I was outdrawn and so out without cashing.
      Did I make the right move and just got unlucky?
  • 11 replies
    • SheepMoose
      SheepMoose
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      You made the right move against a loose opponent.
    • zivkoleo
      zivkoleo
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      Originally posted by SheepMoose
      You made the right move against a loose opponent.
      They were 5; so IMO you are making right move against any opponent.
    • cannell555
      cannell555
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      Hi guys,

      You can't calculate ICM unless we know the payout structure. It's impossible. Plus it's hard to know UTG's range, as the only info we have is "loose".

      If the structure was for instance a 40/30/20/10 split, between 1st,2nd,3rd and 4th respectively, the correct move is to fold! If that is the correct payout structure then our range is JJ+ in this spot.

      Regards,
      Stiev
    • viirus911
      viirus911
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      is there really so big difference in TT and in JJ, in a live tournament with those blinds etc. ?

      I dont believe that pushing with TT is wrong and with JJ its OK,
      Ofc. we cant give any advise because we dont know lots of things, but i guess you should follow ur instincts and read hes body language, maybe call see the flop. But i think its not JJ+ is right and TT push is wrong.
    • cannell555
      cannell555
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      • 18.06.2009, 13:38
      • This post has been edited 1 time(s), it was last edited by cannell555: 18.06.2009 14:22.
      Hi,

      So if you think I push with JJ so I will push with TT, do you also think I push with 99 because I push with TT? and so on? Right up to pushing 22. Don't be daft.

      We use ranges, and if JJ+ is your range, then TT is not good enough. End of.

      OHHH, and BTW never ever call preflop with such hands, such blinds, and such stack sizes.

      Regards,
      Stiev
    • Ruleza
      Ruleza
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      Hero has less than 10 BB's 5handed vs loose opener?

      Nice hand
    • viirus911
      viirus911
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      i just gave my opinion no hard feelings, i still think in that kind of a live tournament it really doesnt matter if u push with JJ or TT
    • cannell555
      cannell555
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      How loose was the villian, and what was the payout structure OP?

      As I already said, NASH states its a fold (for a 40,30,20,10 structure), and imo I would fold (regardless of how many people say push). Why risk not making the money when we are 2nd in chips and in a nice position (position on the fish).
    • whiston
      whiston
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      Thanks for all the feedback guys.
      Payout was 160/90/60/25.
      UTG's range? 22+ Ax Txs+ any connected and gapped connectors.
    • cannell555
      cannell555
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      So you think villian open raised 60%ish of his hands dealt while UTG?
    • whiston
      whiston
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      Yes, he is pretty loose. He particularly likes playing 72.