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[Closed] PP 210$ QQ ugly turn

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Dvl321
Joined: 03.11.2007

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, 210 Tournament, 20/40 Blinds (10 handed) - Party-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

BB (t2000)
MP2 (t2000)
UTG (t1840)
Hero (UTG+1) (t2000)
Button (t1960)
SB (t2020)
CO (t1940)
MP1 (t2000)
UTG+2 (t2300)
MP3 (t1940)

Hero's M: 33.33

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Q, Q
1 fold, Hero bets t140, 1 fold, MP1 calls t140, 6 folds

Flop: (t340) 4, 8, 8 (2 players)
Hero bets t170, MP1 calls t170

Turn: (t680) K (2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets t400, Hero calls t400

River: (t1480) 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets t440, Hero calls t440

Total pot: t2360

Villain is paloma_la, russian fish (and by fish I mean real big fish ;) ).

Anything I can play different there?


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Flows
Joined: 09.03.2006

imo the flop bet is too small.
why not bet/fold the turn?
do you really have any showdown-value against him?


Dvl321
Joined: 03.11.2007

Originally posted by Flows
imo the flop bet is too small.

Y? Nothing to protect against. Standard imho.

why not bet/fold the turn?

Like that idea. But I have no clue how to play the river if I get called (maybe blockbet again). And I propably isolate myself against better hands. Anyway, I may get called by smaller pockets or even A high as bad as he is.

why not bet/fold the turn? do you really have any showdown-value against him?

To be honest I have no idea. :P His betsize looks like a valuebet, those fishes usually bet their bluffs higher. On the other side the river doesn't really change anything and I don't have to be in front very often to make a call profitabel.
Anyway, I think u r right that a fold had been the better option, at least on the river.


Flows
Joined: 09.03.2006

Originally posted by Dvl321

Originally posted by Flows
imo the flop bet is too small.

Y? Nothing to protect against. Standard imho.

ok my standard bet is a little higher since it is a value-bet. :)

if he calls the turnbet you can play check-fold on the river.


viewer88
Joined: 19.04.2008

I think calling turn and folding river (with these betsizes) is a leak. So as played I would call river aswell.

I prefer betting turn aswell, not sure if it's really best vs a donkey.

As played I think woulf fold to his turnbet because it's just a nasty spot to get your chips in.


rhinoneil
Joined: 16.04.2008

i also bet bigger on the flop, not just to protect against overcards but to build the pot.
I think you have to bet the turn or you have absolutely no idea if your QQ is good, and I would bet about half the pot, fold to a raise and check fold river.


Unam
Joined: 17.08.2006

I like the flop bet size, the board is dry.

Turn is B/F and river I think I would C/F