[NL2-NL10] nl5fr kk

    • h50n
      h50n
      Bronze
      Joined: 29.04.2009 Posts: 56
      what did i do wrong?
      Known players:
      Position:
      Stack
      Hero:
      $4.95
      MP2:
      $11.92

      0.02/0.05 No-Limit Hold'em (9 handed)
      Hand recorder used for this poker hand: Elephant 0.69 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

      Preflop: Hero is SB with K:diamond: , K:spade:
      3 folds, MP2 calls $0.05, 3 folds, Hero raises to $0.20, BB folds, MP2 calls $0.15.

      Flop: ($0.45) 4:club: , 2:diamond: , T:spade: (2 players)
      Hero bets $0.30, MP2 calls $0.30.

      Turn: ($1.05) 9:spade: (2 players)
      Hero bets $0.80, MP2 calls $0.80.

      River: ($2.65) 4:heart: (2 players)
      Hero bets $2.00, MP2 raises to $4.00, Hero calls $1.65 (All-In), MP2 gets uncalled bet back.

      Final Pot: $9.95

      Results follow (highlight to see):
      Hero shows two pairs, kings and fours (Kd Ks)
      MP2 shows three of a kind, fours (Kh 4s)

      MP2 wins with three of a kind, fours (Kh 4s)
  • 4 replies
    • MaestroOfZerg
      MaestroOfZerg
      Bronze
      Joined: 17.11.2008 Posts: 5,510
      Hi,


      Since he's some sort of calling station just bet more on the flop and on the turn to be able to simply shove the river into him, he's never folding Tx and you want all his stack.

      On the river him raising you sucks but given the odds you're getting and the fact that he might randomly "slowplay" something like AT/JJ-QQ, i think you have to call.

      Looking at the results you got coolered pretty bad, but him peeling both the flop and the turn with bottom pair just reinforces the fact that you should be looking to go broke there with KK always by betting stronger on earlier streets.


      Hope it helps.
    • RyukDash
      RyukDash
      Bronze
      Joined: 07.08.2009 Posts: 836
      Originally posted by tamairlarace
      Hi,


      Since he's some sort of calling station just bet more on the flop and on the turn to be able to simply shove the river into him, he's never folding Tx and you want all his stack.

      On the river him raising you sucks but given the odds you're getting and the fact that he might randomly "slowplay" something like AT/JJ-QQ, i think you have to call.

      Looking at the results you got coolered pretty bad, but him peeling both the flop and the turn with bottom pair just reinforces the fact that you should be looking to go broke there with KK always by betting stronger on earlier streets.


      Hope it helps.
      Hi,

      h50n's flop bet was a typical 2/3 pot size, and the board was pretty dry.
      And, after this calling station called the flop bet, h50n had increased the turn and river bet : more than 2/3 pot size.

      If h50n should increase the bet size, how much should he have bet?

      So, when we're dealing with such a calling station, it might be better to bet more than 2/3 pot size even on a dry board?

      Thanks!
    • MaestroOfZerg
      MaestroOfZerg
      Bronze
      Joined: 17.11.2008 Posts: 5,510
      Hi,


      Sure, calling stations usually don't care about the bet sizing. They can't pick up on the fact that you bet small with bluffs and big with monsters, they only care about their own hand and whether they picked up a piece or not. You'll even see them float overcards and gutshots against all odds, because to them it doesn't matter.

      That guy called two big bets with bottom pair, he probably doesn't even fold there if you bet pot, and he's most likely liable to call a shove with Tx no matter how big of an overbet that it, tho that's certainly not an optimal line for you, but you get the point.

      h50n's line is fine as a default since you can't be sure how loose the guy is calling on a dry board after only 13 hands, but as soon as you see a showdown like this one you should for sure be bombing pot for every street as soon as you catch a decent piece yourself.


      Hope it helps.
    • h50n
      h50n
      Bronze
      Joined: 29.04.2009 Posts: 56
      thanks for the help guys