[Closed] KKTJ ds

Why do you 4bet pre?
I´d prefer to play it MW with a high SPR. So the best move would be to flat preflop.
As played it´s pretty much a math question.

Originally posted by PokerMarcel87
Why do you 4bet pre?

???? I did 3bet.
sorry - You want to play this hand in multiway? Why - cause it has str8 potential? But i have KK so i definitely want to avoid MW pot.

KKxx isn't that strong to get it in pre against players who are passive preflop

Can we get more in-depth response here please?

Every basic video will say you 'raise this hand FOR VALUE'.

Why do we prefer to play it multiway since we can hardly make nuts with this hand?

The thing is that the UTG and CO player limped/cold called the raise and will most likely (just as the MP player) call your raise. Plus the blinds who could call as well.
Therefore we end up w/ a 3way Pot anyway, but most likely a 4-5 player pot and a very low SPR which means that we´ll pretty much bring it in on most flops that hit out FD oder SD. Since they are - unlike stack-off ranges in MW pots- not nutty, we chase a pot, that not really worth chasing to begin with.
My point is that by calling preflop, we incline the blind to call a lower % of their stack and thus not escalating the Pot all thay quick.
Eg: $0,06*6= $0.36 Pot SPR~10 / $0,24*4=$0,96 Pot SPR=3.6
So if we hit our set or one of the draws that are actual drawing to the nuts we can bring in the money (more money left than if we 3bet preflop) with a dominating made hand (KK set over lower set) or draw (AQ* w/ or Flop) while playing IP (if we 3bet it´s pretty much going in right on the flop -> eliminating our positional advantage).

I´m doing a little video series on preflop play atm. 3 party with a general approach, a video on 3betting and prob. one on blind play.
Maybe i´ll talk to clemens and translate it to make a english one beside the german version.

€: You can´t really raise for value preflop in Omaha. Hot-cold EQ isn´t that important as in Holdem. "Postflop" factors are the key to Preflopplay.

Preflop is absolutely super fine to be 3 betting double suited connected kings this strong. We are not far behind aces and there are so many passive players who will call all bets that were getting great value multiway as well as heads up.

Not 3 betting this preflop would be giving money away, the only time you wouldn't is if you can put someone on aces 100% of the time they open preflop with a raise.

Anyone who raises preflop more than 7.5% of the time we should be 3 betting with this hand.

You absolutely can and must raise preflop for value, ESPECIALLY when we have the button like we do here. Playing big pots in position is awesome and is how we make all our money at Omaha. We've put in 8% of our stack preflop which is still 2 more pot bets from being all in. Perfect when we're in position.

As for the flop, your options are raise all in or fold.
Such is the size of the pot on the flop, I would expect anyone with an ace high flush draw to donk bet full pot. I would also expect a straight to do the same, you can't be allowing people to see a free card when the pot is this big.

I would be confident that either our king high flush draw is live vs the shortie who shoved, or if he has ace high our kings are good vs him.

Personally I raise all in, due to the size of the pot, sometimes we get called by a set or a non nut straight and we're 60/40 behind compensated by the dead money or we go heads up vs shorty and are live someway or other. (he could also be shoving smaller flush draw with 2 pair type hands).

I think you played the hand pretty much perfectly so long as you raised the river