[Closed] NL100: QQ - preflop minraise, flop shove

Originally posted by funktor
vote [folds, calls]

Poll added ;).

I'd also call preflop, but on the flop I'm also lost, not sure if there's a "best play".

Let's see what the vote tells us.

[I'll add my favourite play later to not influence the outcome.]

Edit: I thought about it again and actually I think we should 4bet preflop for value unless we think his range is only KK+ in which case the call would purely be for setvalue and we'd have to c/f the flop in any case.

You are mostlikely right with the 4-bet. It is only 70BB deep.

But considering he looked pretty nitty on raises I did not like to 4-bet... as I really think that he is capabe only go forward with AA or KK. On the other hands sort of this players sometimes shows us with AKs... and it would suck fold if he shoves to 4 bet ;).

Funktor

I'm 4-betting for value.

But if we ca and then face this shove it's hard not to call.
If you say he seems nitty then he might be trying to shut it down with 99-JJ

do we really think this guy is so bad that he shoves flop with AA/KK? if he really is that bad, we note him and move on.

as played, i call the flop shove. it looks like a stupid spewy play, so unless we're getting valuetowned/owned completely by AA/KK/88/77/22, if he really is spewy, he can turn up here with any PP, AK, FD, SD, A8, A7 etc...

now, all that out of the way, i dont mind 4betting pre for value. you have 30 hands on this guy, which isn't enough to make any sort of real read based on his 3bet stat or even his AF or PFR... all we can safely say at this point in time is he has the ability to be a bit of a calling station pre (based on the huge difference in his VPIP/PFR stat).

also, if ongame has the ability to auto top up to 100bb and this guy isnt' doing that, it's another sign that he's superbad and this becomes an easy spot to 4bet pre and get it in on this board when he shoves

easy call imo beacause this ongame site is stupid. ♦
on a serious note
most likely is AK or overplayed pocket pairs that is not AA KK. if he's so passive, he's most likely going to slow play his nuts aka AA KK. his min raise and shove on flop makes me think that he very much has AK since most fishes dont know how to play them when they miss flop and just shove to take it down.

i'm calling here, i think we lose too much value if we dont call in the long run.

Ok I guess the vote speaks for itself ♦.

AlCaTrAzzALZ pretty much covered everything I wanted to say, good post!

Just 1 thing: afaik on Ongame you can't auto-rebuy.

Yep. No autobuy is annoying

F.

ok without auto top up, we cant use his stack size to say he's a donk... but i'm still pretty happy calling him a donk here anyway