[Closed] triple barrel nl100

If u went serious comments don't post the results.
He can't call 3barrels with marginal one pair hands (9x,8x) and since we gained more equity on the turn I prefer checking turn and betting river instead of bet/folding turn.
As played I'm not sure he can call a jam with AT- so I probably make it small hoping to get a hero call with his bottom range.
And yeah easy adjust against that guy.

hi obviously this time i posted the results for a reason, because i wanted to evaluate villian's play with not only his range but his actual hand here.

well how

UTG+1 shows K♦ K♣ (Pre 81%, Flop 61.7%, Turn 77.3%) Hero shows J♠ J♦ (Pre 19%, Flop 38.3%, Turn 22.7%) UTG+1 wins $198

Pre, flop and turn are okay, but on river u really have to ask yourself what do you achieve with that bet? What worse hand is paying you off? Is there any better hands folding?

And the answer is almost no worse hands, even TT hits its set and I really doubt AT is calling a shove there and almost no better hands are folding on that dryish board.

About the villain I think he played it perfectly against your utg range. If you have aces stacks are going in anyway but this way he just used ur aggression so you valuetowned yourself. There is a risk of a few ugly cards where he must go c/f river but that is it.

Originally posted by Gregor86
Pre, flop and turn are okay, but on river u really have to ask yourself what do you achieve with that bet? What worse hand is paying you off? Is there any better hands folding?
I completely agree about this, but imo we have to think about what we want to achieve.
@supeyrio:
I guess you were betting for value?
If yes, then the bet is bad imo. By check-calling flop and turn he told us that he is either trapping with a monster, or being cautios with a medium strength hand.
Imo the worst of those hands would be something like QTs, KTs, AT.
Even JT usually cbets the flop because it has so much equity.
With Tx he has a really hard time calling the river, Gregor said this as well:

And the answer is almost no worse hands, even TT hits its set and I really doubt AT is calling a shove there and almost no better hands are folding on that dryish board.
The only thing I disagree with is that imo he could (and should) fold QQ+.

About the villain I think he played it perfectly against your utg range. If you have aces stacks are going in anyway but this way he just used ur aggression so you valuetowned yourself. There is a risk of a few ugly cards where he must go c/f river but that is it.

Last point depends on our actual range.
Imo since it's a FR table, this board hits our callingrange very hard and his hand is pretty much face up, he should usually rather just cbet his hand or as played c/f the turn - his hand looks like an overpair so most people are not firing a 2nd bluffbarrel, therefore he should expect us to be valuebetting and our valuerange is JJ+ and 2pair+ - he's only ahead vs JJ and QQ (and JJ has 10 outs).

On a SH table where ranges are wider, I agree with you Gregor, although on the river it's still close and he could make a solid argument for check-folding.

Originally posted by Bierbaer

Originally posted by Gregor86
Pre, flop and turn are okay, but on river u really have to ask yourself what do you achieve with that bet? What worse hand is paying you off? Is there any better hands folding?
I completely agree about this, but imo we have to think about what we want to achieve.
@supeyrio:
I guess you were betting for value?
If yes, then the bet is bad imo. By check-calling flop and turn he told us that he is either trapping with a monster, or being cautios with a medium strength hand.
Imo the worst of those hands would be something like QTs, KTs, AT.
Even JT usually cbets the flop because it has so much equity.
With Tx he has a really hard time calling the river, Gregor said this as well:

And the answer is almost no worse hands, even TT hits its set and I really doubt AT is calling a shove there and almost no better hands are folding on that dryish board.
The only thing I disagree with is that imo he could (and should) fold QQ+.

About the villain I think he played it perfectly against your utg range. If you have aces stacks are going in anyway but this way he just used ur aggression so you valuetowned yourself. There is a risk of a few ugly cards where he must go c/f river but that is it.

Last point depends on our actual range.
Imo since it's a FR table, this board hits our callingrange very hard and his hand is pretty much face up, he should usually rather just cbet his hand or as played c/f the turn - his hand looks like an overpair so most people are not firing a 2nd bluffbarrel, therefore he should expect us to be valuebetting and our valuerange is JJ+ and 2pair+ - he's only ahead vs JJ and QQ (and JJ has 10 outs).

On a SH table where ranges are wider, I agree with you Gregor, although on the river it's still close and he could make a solid argument for check-folding.

Hi Biebaer do you think that generally we can fire 3streets as a bluff vs most regs?
i really expected a fold on the river since with no history, calling down with KK is pretty bad play right?

Imo yes.
I might be wrong with this one, but in my experience on a FR table people are usually even tighter when it comes to herocalls, therefore he should fold KK even on the turn.
Ofc this could be used as an argument against firing 3 streets - if he folds 1- and even 2-pair hands on the turn he does only have sets+ in his range on the river which he's not folding.

But I think he's mostly cbetting those strong hands, so 3barreling should be fine.