[Closed] KK on A high sqz pot

AK, 88. I can't think of anything else on the turn without any history.

He might see your smallish bet on the turn as weakness and try to bluff you with TT, but it's improbable that he will fire river with that stacksize/pot ratio size after you call the turn.

It's very easy for you to have an A.
What does your opponent think? If you call the turn, do you ever fold the river (do you ever fold an A?)

Also, if villain is an ok regular, you might as well put UTG's stats here and say if there were any aggresive 3betters after him.

Overall I'd fold the River. I'm against a monster here more often than not, to make it profitable. And that small c/r on the Turn seems planed... as in building the pot for the river to seem an easy call (pot odds wise).

Against a good tricky villian who might be able to make a move on the turn as a bluff after seeing you check back the flop I don't mind the turn call. However, the river is a snap fold IMO, you could definately take this line with AK AA to induce and therefore I think if he is bluffing the river he either soul read you, has huge balls or is crazy. Maybe a little of all.

I usually squeeze a little more $13 or $14, but maybe having position that's not necessary.

he's almost never having AK since i often expect him to backraise his AK to win the dead $ if i fold.
in this spot he's just repping AA and 88. so if i give him a range of AA, JJ-88(i exclude QQ-KK since his hand may be too strong to turn it into a bluff and he would probably backraise it preflop). vs this range, i have 75% equity on the river. 6 combos i lose to, 18 combos i beat. i think the only reason i called here is because he doesn't rep much, and my check behind may indicate that i have a decent hand i want to showdown and pot control. i would have given him more credit on a non A high board though.

You can also flat KK in order to keep worse ranges in the hand. 3bet vs UTG looks so strong and has such a huge FE that I rather do it with T9s than with hand like KK with which I want to value bet on later streets. (What do you do vs his 4bet btw? Imo 3bet/shove KK vs UTG is a leak on FR.). Yep, but taken into account it is 3way, you can 3bet.

I check behind flop for sure.

I bet 8$ on turn in order to (1) see where I am, (2) get value from worse, (3) keep pot smaller after his raise and (4) induce bluff. Due to smaller bet sizing I call his raise turn and also call river.

As played, it sucks because the river bet is too big to bluff-catch. On the other hand his line does not make sense. He can't call a PP OOP 100bb deep preflop so he is either (i) bluffing, (ii) traping w AA or he misplayed PP preflop (in which case I make a note) or some other hand. I tend to call river.

Hi,

villain offically owned you!
He has there AK, AA (or 88) almost always after his line.
I'd either bet/fold turn or chb flop and turn and call any river bet.
Because in my experience the line from a thinking thight reg: check flop, ch/r turn is a monster almost always.

As played you have to call river if you think he's capable of turning 99-QQ into a bluff. But against a 16/10 guy you can fold river easily I guess.

What did he have?

Best regards,
Anin

@anin: yea "villian officially owned me"

@cornie: i will get KK in. it's a sqz play and ppl do go broke with QQ+ and AK since reg here like to get aggressive preflop alot

Is 3-bet/shoving vs UTG with KK really that bad? In this case it's a squeeze so it is definately fine I think. I know if I was in UTGs position I would stack off fairly wide against a BTN squeeze unless it was from a huge nit.

Did he have a set by chance? I have been getting set mined a lot recently in very similar spots, ie. there is a raise, a reg calls, I squeeze, the raiser folds and the reg calls again. I don't see how calling squeezes with small/medium PP OOP could be profitable, but I have seen this from quite a few regs. Anyone know what's the deal with this?

villian flips TT.
i didnt hesitated much when i called. i put him on a level that he knows that i know that he is set mining. like i said, it's not a spot whereby he'll flat AK, i'm very positive about this since he'll backraise to try win it pre. and that only leaves him with sets on the flop, and i dont think he's tricky enough to flat AA he potentially loses out on alot of value playing hands out of position. with a high fold to 3bet, i also expect him to be holding on to medium pp something like 88-JJ. so on this board, he only reps 88. villian also is clear that on a A high board, i'm cbetting alot air since i can rep the A well(balance value range would be my strong Ax hands) and my checking behind only leaves me wth hands that has showdown value, or a slow played top set. hence his c/r turn shove flop line to throw me off my hand.

Originally posted by supeyrio
villian flips TT.
i didnt hesitated much when i called. i put him on a level that he knows that i know that he is set mining. like i said, it's not a spot whereby he'll flat AK, i'm very positive about this since he'll backraise to try win it pre. and that only leaves him with sets on the flop, and i dont think he's tricky enough to flat AA he potentially loses out on alot of value playing hands out of position. with a high fold to 3bet, i also expect him to be holding on to medium pp something like 88-JJ. so on this board, he only reps 88. villian also is clear that on a A high board, i'm cbetting alot air since i can rep the A well(balance value range would be my strong Ax hands) and my checking behind only leaves me wth hands that has showdown value, or a slow played top set. hence his c/r turn shove flop line to throw me off my hand.

n1, you view the dynamics very similar as I do

very interesting hand btw. Please post more. I am currently learning a lot on NL200 and NL400fr and will be happy to discuss here with a good players - exactly what happened above. I will post some more hands, too.

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Originally posted by Hajler

Did he have a set by chance? I have been getting set mined a lot recently in very similar spots, ie. there is a raise, a reg calls, I squeeze, the raiser folds and the reg calls again. I don't see how calling squeezes with small/medium PP OOP could be profitable, but I have seen this from quite a few regs. Anyone know what's the deal with this?

I view it this way

- in standard ABC poker it is EV- to call 3bet w PP OOP
- however, if you are able to maximize value when you hit and overplay your opponents if you don' t hit (mostly creative bluffing turn/river), it is not black and white and depends a lot on what boards come (suitable for making him fold overpair?), the skill of opponent (is he able to fold good hands?), your read (do you read well if he has AK and does not hit and you bluff-catch only) and your table image (if he has seen you bluffing and playing aggressively, it decreases your FE in situations where you do not hit).

I rather open/fold PP like this in these spots and stick to solid style, as I like to go aggro with suited cards or some other spews ♦

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Originally posted by AninIII
Hi,

villain offically owned you!
Actually hero owned himself ;-).
He has there AK, AA (or 88) almost always after his line.
Agree.
I'd either bet/fold turn or chb flop and turn and call any river bet.
I would definitely check back on the turn. If he had any kind of FD he's usually bet so we don't have to protect against anything. Also the chance of him calling a riverbet with some kind of misplayed PP is higher than the chance of him calling the turn.
Additionally we give him another opportunity to bluff.
Because in my experience the line from a thinking thight reg: check flop, ch/r turn is a monster almost always.
Not sure about this, it depends on the villain and the actual spot a lot, but in general c/c-c/r is a monsterline.

As played you have to call river if you think he's capable of turning 99-QQ into a bluff. But against a 16/10 guy you can fold river easily I guess.
Imo once we bet the turn we should either call turn&river or just fold the turn.

What did he have?

Best regards,
Anin