[Closed] NL100 QTo OOP TPGK

Reraise preflop. Your hand plays terrible OOP, even more so in a 4way pot.

His range for minopenraising is most likely weak and the other guys probably don't have much either as they'd reraise strong hands.

As played:
"I think I should just donk flop vs so my opponents and see where I am."
This is bad reasoning. Either bet for value or as a bluff, but don't bet for information!

I like the lead, but it is for value.

On the turn it's close so I'd shove it in.
Just gave him a range:

Board: T♥3♥7♣ 9♥
       Equity     Win     Tie
Hero   42.02%  36.72%   5.30% { QhTs }
kidon07    57.98%  52.68%   5.30% { ATs, KTs, QTs, JTs, T9s, 98s, 87s, ATo, KTo, QTo, JTo, Ah8h, Jh8h, Ah7h, Ah6h, Ah5h, Ah4h, Ah2h }

Not sure if he is capable of folding TP here, if you think he is a check is better - but once we check we have to c/f as he's checking back most worse hands, so we're facing a flush most of the time.
Btw the range doesn't include enough flushes, I think there are more. But I had a tight range at first and against it we had 31% so we cannot really go wrong by shoving.

Reraise preflop. Your hand plays terrible OOP, even more so in a 4way pot.

I wasn't sure if I should be building a big pot just incase I get called.
What should my sizing be?

"I think I should just donk flop vs so my opponents and see where I am." This is bad reasoning.
Either bet for value or as a bluff, but don't bet for information!

I guess this is a mind-set thing for me hehe

Originally posted by justkyle88

Reraise preflop. Your hand plays terrible OOP, even more so in a 4way pot.

I wasn't sure if I should be building a big pot just incase I get called.
What should my sizing be?

The whole point of reraising this is to get called and play a big pot ;).
The raise is for value, we want to get as many calls as possible because this means the opponents range is weaker, i.e. our EV rises.

Originally posted by justkyle88

"I think I should just donk flop vs so my opponents and see where I am." This is bad reasoning.
Either bet for value or as a bluff, but don't bet for information!

I guess this is a mind-set thing for me hehe

Just like the fear of playing a big pot with QTo.
Not sure what's the best thing to do against being on scared money, I guess trying to improve and playing more are pretty much the only ways to overcome this :(.

@biebaer: why do we want to reraise QTo oop for value? Arent we just trying to take thr pot down pre? Post flop, how much value are we getting if we hit a pair? And how would we fare against calling range that could consist of relatively strong hands like TT, JJ, suited Ax, broadways etc?

The minraise can be any2 (more or less). The 2 other guys are highly likely to have some kind of suited connector or pocket pair as they'd reraise strong hands.

So we beat quite a lot of Qx and Tx while their ranges don't include many better Qx as they'd reraise preflop themselves.

Of course against a strong callingrange we don't do well, but their range isn't going to be that strong.

@bierbaer:

we lose to QJ+, and not too many QT and lower combos will call; although, we do beat more Tx combos.
but just want to be reaffirm that the idea is to play a big pot and not steal dead $?
generally what should our bluff range in this spot?

SH is surely an interesting game for a FR nit like me

There is no bluffrange. We expect to get called so we cannot bluff, but we want to widen our valuerange - for example even down to QTo.