[Closed] nl100 Rush QQ vs big action pre

SO UTG is raising differently according to this betsizing ?

MP = UTG+1 ?

And you literally min4bet preflop if i see it correctly which means you give all 3 players gigantic odds to do something funky IP while you are OOP, am I seeing this right?

utg normal oR = 3.5bb...

I dont expect unknown full stacked plrs to get that funky from MP/CO but I agree my sizing sucks.

yet another induce line?

just to share, there are regs who minraise pre any position here. really strange

yet another induce line?

No, here it's the dreaded "for information" line If it was an induce I would have 6bet shoved...

If I 4bet pre I make it bigger and call a shove, as Gerv said when you make it 18 you're not getting much value but you're guaranteed to play a 3way pot OOP.
My 4bet-sizing would be $32.

But I think calling the 3bet is perfectly fine, too. It's even my preferred line because I don't expect them to call many worse hands (if any) once we 4bet. So the call is for semi-setvalue, I still plan on leading out on a lot of lowcard boards, but if it comes down Khigh or Ahigh I'm fine with just check-folding.

If UTG+1 4bets we can comfortably fold.

If I 4bet pre I make it bigger and call a shove,

But you are saying that if we just flat UTG+1's 3b and then

UTG+1 4bets we can comfortably fold.

Do you mean UTG? (the original Minraiser). I am least worried about him since my reads suggest he doesnt minR strong hands, but w/e.

Reason I am not sure about this is that if we 4b and anyone 5bs we are really crushed so I think for 130-140bb eff we are probably never even getting it in against AK, in which case we cant call it off even after invesing $32.

My other question is this: you say that if we min4b (as played)

you're guaranteed to play a 3way pot OOP.

In theory I agree, but as you say, we

don't expect them to call many worse hands

. Therefore, if we do get called (1) we have initiative; and (2) we probably have the best hand.

Whereas if we get get 5b we are sure not to have the best hand.

So it seems to me that, by 4betting smaller we get the same information about whether our hand is good as we do for $32, but we save $14.

I still agree that a call is better than 4betting but I'm not sure that - given the above - 4betting normally is so good here if we can never get called by worse and have to call it off vs likely AA/KK range.

I meant I would call the 3bet, but if I 4bet I do it with the intention of stacking off (f.e. I have a read that the opponent is loose/aggro enough to justify it).

Once we flat the 3bet even though usually UTGs range for minopenraising is not too strong, his 4bettingrange usually is. Therefore I'd just fold once he reraises.

About the minraise: The problem is, UTG+1 gets 4:1 odds - he will almost always call. CO already coldcalled the 3bet for $9, he will definitely not fold now.
We might have the best hand postflop most of the time, but the times we don't have it we can still easily get stacked - f.e. what will you do on a 752fd board when you get raised?
Against 2 people the only option is to b/f - so the plan will be to basically b/f 100% of flops.