[Closed] Irony in Poker

Well said.

Think this is probably the hardest thing I've had to combat since playing poker semi-seriously using PokerStrategy articles. Every now and again QK will come up and after somebody raised I'll be thinking 'hmm should I re-raise? All in maybe?' and after doing it a few times, I quickly realised it isn't profitable at all.

Same goes for JK, QJ, AJ, AQ and even sometimes AK.

My patience has increased immensely over the past couple of days and you can see the results (well, kind of made a loss but my EV is way way higher which makes me think I'm generally playing hands well).

Next step for me is get to Silver level on here and just keep on learning.

You shouldn't follow your instinct that says "you're gonna be lucky, just shove". Better follow the instinct that says you have the best hand in difficult spots.

Just finished my daily micro MTT grinding.

Whenever I got bad beats, I just remember this thing I wrote.

Also helped me in times when I almost called with not-so-sure cards.

Happy for the day.

Chow everyone! ^_^

Nice post, the thing is that bad beats don't ever make me tilt. I'm not pissed off by someone who calls my 5bet shove with 88 and cracks my AA. It's my stupid calls where I think I'm ahead against opponents' ranges in certain spots which literally cost me stacks and being pushed out of the pot by check/minraises and generally the desperation and uncertainty by not knowing what to do in certan spots. What if I fold and lose lots of value because the fish is just trying to outplay me? My mindset seems to be very bad sometimes.

very nice post, hope many players read it. so they don't call some1 donk on the table...just smile.. and say.. thanks god i'm not him.

Originally posted by winzsavana
very nice post, hope many players read it. so they don't call some1 donk on the table...just smile.. and say.. thanks god i'm not him.

Yeah I hope so.

Really annoys me when people do that, I don't understand where they get the need to do it from. Although maybe it's because they have a big ego and it just got deflated ;>

Nice post Yin, it's definitely true. The times when you're like oooh i will probably lose this if i call you don't feel angry about, but it's even worse in reality.

Originally posted by AjoPP1
Nice post, the thing is that bad beats don't ever make me tilt. I'm not pissed off by someone who calls my 5bet shove with 88 and cracks my AA. It's my stupid calls where I think I'm ahead against opponents' ranges in certain spots which literally cost me stacks and being pushed out of the pot by check/minraises and generally the desperation and uncertainty by not knowing what to do in certan spots. What if I fold and lose lots of value because the fish is just trying to outplay me? My mindset seems to be very bad sometimes.

This is so fucking familiar.. I believe it's smth like gambler instinct You know, all these times when you're clearly beat but "villain could be bluffing". I hate myself for that ♦

Originally posted by Bliausmas

Originally posted by AjoPP1
Nice post, the thing is that bad beats don't ever make me tilt. I'm not pissed off by someone who calls my 5bet shove with 88 and cracks my AA. It's my stupid calls where I think I'm ahead against opponents' ranges in certain spots which literally cost me stacks and being pushed out of the pot by check/minraises and generally the desperation and uncertainty by not knowing what to do in certan spots. What if I fold and lose lots of value because the fish is just trying to outplay me? My mindset seems to be very bad sometimes.

This is so fucking familiar.. I believe it's smth like gambler instinct You know, all these times when you're clearly beat but "villain could be bluffing". I hate myself for that ♦

We seriously need to work on this or stay fish forever. When I started to grind the micros again 2 weeks ago I said to myself that I would play completely stratightforward and not level myself and it was a winning strategy and first 5k hands were like LOL EZ GAME. Then I started to make looser calls etc because I thought I could soulread and last two sessions cost me 5 BI(however some of it were bad beats). Nevertheless, I need to give this complex play on NL2 and just play fit or fold with an occassional bluff and semibluff here and there.

Originally posted by AjoPP1

Originally posted by Bliausmas

Originally posted by AjoPP1
Nice post, the thing is that bad beats don't ever make me tilt. I'm not pissed off by someone who calls my 5bet shove with 88 and cracks my AA. It's my stupid calls where I think I'm ahead against opponents' ranges in certain spots which literally cost me stacks and being pushed out of the pot by check/minraises and generally the desperation and uncertainty by not knowing what to do in certan spots. What if I fold and lose lots of value because the fish is just trying to outplay me? My mindset seems to be very bad sometimes.

This is so fucking familiar.. I believe it's smth like gambler instinct You know, all these times when you're clearly beat but "villain could be bluffing". I hate myself for that ♦

We seriously need to work on this or stay fish forever. When I started to grind the micros again 2 weeks ago I said to myself that I would play completely stratightforward and not level myself and it was a winning strategy and first 5k hands were like LOL EZ GAME. Then I started to make looser calls etc because I thought I could soulread and last two sessions cost me 5 BI(however some of it were bad beats). Nevertheless, I need to give this complex play on NL2 and just play fit or fold with an occassional bluff and semibluff here and there.

Very true, especially this type of play is the most profitable. I played some really solid poker these days but yesterday after a long session I felt that "gambling shit" again and after dumping 2,5BI in a single hand where I 100% knew I'm beat in real time, but made a uber-stupid call, I decided it just can't last no longer. I'll try shorter sessions, more days off poker, like a planned schedule - if I play today, I play for 1 hour (125 FT points actually, it takes about 1 hour to collect ), if I don't play - I don't play. Well, I hope it will work in order to make bad habits dissappear.
Maybe your cause for this bad play is also too long sessions or smth similar related to over-play?

I don't know why it is so deeply rooted in us that eventhough we know we are beat we still make a stupid call from time to time. Well, I've set a goal to play at least 1k hands every day I play which isn't that hard since I multitable(but I can't do this everyday because of school) but I'm deffo gonna play shorter sessions, say 1 hour of 10 tabling, 30 minutes break and again. I think I played for two-2,5 hours straight yesterday and it led to autopilot and overall fishiness. But it's good that I don't run hot and actually have to pay for my mistakes, because I can comfortably try to root them out before shooting for a higher limit.

So true @ the "feeling".

The thing which sounds weird, but helped me so much at the start was calling those...

Times when pre-flop I had raised JJ, got re-raised all in, and i sat there for about 10 seconds thing, hmm, I think he probably has QQ+, so i'm beat, but maybe he isn't, so i should call anyway. Surprise surprise he had higher cards, and I lost.

It helped me though, because I learnt to trust my instinct a bit more, and think a bit more clearly. I went straight down to -10$ or so by calling stupid hands like that. Since then I've built myself back up slowly but surely, and those situations before where I made the calls has helped. Got to experience it for yourself before you learn, I think anyway!

Yeah, the same problem: too much - too bad. I believe that forcing yourself to play your A game constantly should make bad habits go away. Of course, by "forcing" I mean finding your optimal time for a session, taking breaks when needed (without any harm to BR), etc, not playing 20 hour sessions ♦
Best of luck with that!

Originally posted by Jim4rdo
So true @ the "feeling".

The thing which sounds weird, but helped me so much at the start was calling those...

Times when pre-flop I had raised JJ, got re-raised all in, and i sat there for about 10 seconds thing, hmm, I think he probably has QQ+, so i'm beat, but maybe he isn't, so i should call anyway. Surprise surprise he had higher cards, and I lost.

It helped me though, because I learnt to trust my instinct a bit more, and think a bit more clearly. I went straight down to -10$ or so by calling stupid hands like that. Since then I've built myself back up slowly but surely, and those situations before where I made the calls has helped. Got to experience it for yourself before you learn, I think anyway!

I agree, reading hands of other players is one thing, but when you get your own ass kicked is whole another thing. It helps to reduce the urge to gamble.. well, mostly ♦

agree with ' feeling'
the same here, i was playing live last nite, and was playing like a fish ♦ - came back home busted out of the tourney, so mad at myself, the last hand got all in wit 77, and i knew the guy who shoved only does that with QQs or better. I knew! he even told me that he has a pair!!! why oh why would u call with 77

I'm happy to see people commenting on my post.

I had this situation one time.

• Blinds is just 30/60
• Guy from early position min-raised to 120.
• I thought it was pretty odd. I felt he has a very good hand.
• I got pocket 10 on late position. I decided to just call it.
• Blinds called. Flopped 5 6 6
• BB bets 60. Original raiser just called!
• I felt he really has a good hand but thought I don't have much of a choice here. So I moved all-in.
• The guy called and showed Aces!
• And there I go. My "instincts" were right. But the guy is playing it like a fish.

Comments on that?

Exactly yinyang.

But now, if the same situation happened again, would you move all in with your 10's? Or would you continue calling, or simply fold since you know you're beat?

Now you've had that experience, you start to realise what people might have, and when to fold i think

Originally posted by Jim4rdo
Exactly yinyang.

But now, if the same situation happened again, would you move all in with your 10's? Or would you continue calling, or simply fold since you know you're beat?

Now you've had that experience, you start to realise what people might have, and when to fold i think

how about those situations where my instincts tell me,

• i know i'm ahead against this guy but i really feel that i would get bad beat.
• i would still call and then again, my instincts were right. LOL

comments on that? hahaha

I don't think you should ever worry about getting bad beat, because in the long term you win money from it, so if you think you are ahead go with it?

Originally posted by Jim4rdo
I don't think you should ever worry about getting bad beat, because in the long term you win money from it, so if you think you are ahead go with it?

the thing here is, i felt that i was gonna get bad beat, therefore losing the hand.
so? kinda funny? hahaha ^_^