[Closed] $50+5 normal 6mx, KJs ip

If you are not willing to call a shove on the flop I prefer a check, the pot is still too small to make a shove on any river and I don't think on that type of board to make the fish fold directly on the flop.

As played, a shove on the river it's fine but I'd prefer a small valuebet (200-300) since it's more likely the fish has something like QT QJ or a busted draw

I think you played it great as long as you shoved the river. If he had a better hand I think you would have heard from him by now. You need to make these 36/10 type of players pay for their loose ranges.

As played, i think shoving the river is fine, there are some worse hands that may call like Qx, though its unlikely. I dont think that u are beat that often, i would go for max. value. Overall i think its more likely that villain calls worse than that u are beat. On the other hand, winning 450 chips more is much less worth than remaining the 9bb stack, so checking back cant be that bad.

I think, that an other option playing the hand would be to bet bigger on the flop (250) and then shove any blank turn for approx. full pot, so the fish can make the biggest mistake in chasing draws, so u can avoid a tough decision on a scary river card.

if you have 450 left on the river here you messed up the betsizing somewhere, id have gone 150/225/shove or similar to commit on turn with all the draws out, betting half your stack on turn is bad because youre never folding but give him odds to draw. As played ship river. If it was a dryer board you could have also just bet smaller the whole way so youre betting 1/3 to 1/4 or your stack on turn and shipping river, you could also try to do that on turn as it is especially if he might c/r with a lot of worse hands, but that is quite risky with this board.

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Originally posted by PhilShaw
if you have 450 left on the river here you messed up the betsizing somewhere, id have gone 150/225/shove or similar to commit on turn with all the draws out, betting half your stack on turn is bad because youre never folding but give him odds to draw. As played ship river. If it was a dryer board you could have also just bet smaller the whole way so youre betting 1/3 to 1/4 or your stack on turn and shipping river, you could also try to do that on turn as it is especially if he might c/r with a lot of worse hands, but that is quite risky with this board.

Thanks for this. I should be better on these basics...

On turn you say we give him odds. I mean, he needs 21% eQ even if he is guaranteed to get rest of my stack on river (if i did maths right) so bare flush draw is not getting that...

On flop, 150 seems too small to me given that he always has more equity from flop to river than turn to river so is prima face more likely to call draws on flop than turn. So less than 1/2pot with straight + flush draws out there seems a bit risky me - he is basically hardly making any mistake by calling here, is he, given implieds?

Can you expand on this, plse?

Finally, I guess there is a difference between the bet sizing that allows most smooth lead up to river shove and the one that extracts the most value. Can you explain why 150/225/shove is best given that our river shove is often only called by the draws that got there. Intuitively, seems this sizing gets less $ in vs calling stn fish when we are ahead and more when we are behind.

Prolly barking up many wrong trees here - grateful if u can set me str8.