So, in 250 hands today, I got setmined twice, but what is the problem??? they set mine in 3bet pots. I 3bet, they call, I have overcard and we go broke... Should I expect set in 3bet pot? I mean we are 100 BB deep and he set mine in 3bet pot... that makes no sense...
How should I react? Will I lose money to those set miners in long term?
Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.04(BB) Replayer
SB ($1.62)
Hero ($6.16)
UTG ($3.28)
CO ($5.06)
BTN ($4.05)
Dealt to Hero A♣ A♥
UTG calls $0.04, fold, BTN raises to $0.20, fold, Hero raises to $0.60, fold, BTN calls $0.40
FLOP ($1.26) 3♥ Q♦ J♠
Hero bets $0.80, BTN calls $0.80
TURN ($2.86) 3♥ Q♦ J♠ 6♦
Hero bets $1.44, BTN raises to $2.65 (AI), Hero calls $1.21
RIVER ($8.16) 3♥ Q♦ J♠ 6♦ 4♦
Hero shows A♣ A♥
(Pre 82%, Flop 10.8%, Turn 4.5%)
BTN shows 3♦ 3♣
(Pre 18%, Flop 89.2%, Turn 95.5%)
BTN wins $7.76
this is it
maybe I should 3bet more, but then it's allmost the same.
well, he get less implied odds, but does he get it even now?
Hi Saruniks
it depends a lot of opening bet and the side of your 3 bet. you might be giving them odds to mineset. Also if you only 3bet with monsters villain got huge implied.
Regards
Thazar
imo its at best a break even play for them and i dont think you can do anything about it
don't look at individual results and draw a conclusion.make a note on that guy,the next time you will have a pretty good idea of his call 3bet range.
i think he is -EV cuz he doesn't have x20 of the raise in his stack
Originally posted by furculision
don't look at individual results and draw a conclusion.make a note on that guy,the next time you will have a pretty good idea of his call 3bet range.i think he is -EV cuz he doesn't have x20 of the raise in his stack
^^ THIS.
Although the mathematical implied odds needed for set-mining is 11:1, my coach-friends agree that the needed odds are more like 15:1 to make calling raises for set-mining, or even limping with short stacks, a profitable play.
As I said before it depends of your 3 bet range. If I got it right you hit a set on the flop about 1 in 8 times. however you can still get outdrawn to a better set , flush, or straight. so you need a bit more than 8:1 implied.
If someone has for example 1% 3bet (and believe me there are some) over a large sample. I know that I have massive implied and that I more than likely get his stack if I hit. So I am likely to call even with 12x or so implied.
The looser you are on your preflop 3bet, the less likely i am to get your stack post flop if I hit the more I need the relative stack size to be deep.
BTW this is my opinion, and I am in no way a great player :). So I am open to correction 
Best regards
Thazar
you should count in the rake, etc, but against some people 10x implieds+some pot odds are enough.
yup, I got your point, he might have got implied odds.
this is 2nd hand. I folded as I didn't hit so but he still set mined
Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.04(BB) Replayer
SB ($3.71)
Hero ($4.16)
UTG ($4)
CO ($4)
BTN ($5.56)
Dealt to Hero K♦ A♠
fold, CO raises to $0.12, BTN calls $0.12, SB calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.56, CO calls $0.44, BTN calls $0.44, fold
FLOP ($1.80) 5♠ 9♦ 2♠
Hero checks, CO bets $1.28, BTN raises to $5 (AI), Hero folds, CO calls $2.16 (AI)
TURN ($8.68) 5♠ 9♦ 2♠ 4♥
RIVER ($8.68) 5♠ 9♦ 2♠ 4♥ 3♦
BTN shows K♥ T♣
(Pre 49%, Flop 1.6%, Turn 0.0%)
CO shows 5♣ 5♥
(Pre 51%, Flop 98.4%, Turn 100.0%)
CO wins $8.25
