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[Closed] $15, ATo bubble after fish limps

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akrammon
Joined: 17.05.2009
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Poker Stars No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t100.00/t200.00 Blinds - 4 players
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CO: t4635.00 23.18 BBs
Hero (BTN): t1845.00 9.22 BBs
SB: t1370.00 6.85 BBs
BB: t5650.00 28.25 BBs

Pre Flop: (t300) Hero is BTN with A♦ T♠
CO calls t200, Hero raises to t1820, 2 folds, CO calls t1620

Limper is a big stupid fish. SB is a reg, BB is unknown 1-tabler.
I wasn't going to do it with a lot of hands, but I think ATo is a value hand enough to do this. Correct or maybe I should just fold hoping the SB bubbles out and picking up pots where I'm first in?

Does the results (well, his cards) change your opinion?

Spoiler

He called with K7s


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Gerovit
Joined: 16.01.2011
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According to wiz this is a huge 3.8% of a prize pull mistake if you assume that K7 is his bottom range.
Even if he is open limping 30% here and calling only 8% (AJ+ ATS+, 66+) its a minus 2% push.
Given that shorty has to push into two big stacks and you might get to push into him, you are in the money more often that not without this push.
Without limper however its a +ev push regardless of bb's calling range


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akrammon
Joined: 17.05.2009
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Originally posted by milanandonov
Even if he is open limping 30% here and calling only 8% (AJ+ ATS+, 66+) its a minus 2% push.

Your numbers are incorrect. You didn't adjust overcalling ranges and "Hero folds" ranges. (It still looks -EV, but def not -2)


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akrammon
Joined: 17.05.2009
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With normal-looking callingranges it becomes breakeven when he limps ~47% if he calls top 8%. But according to my experience these people usually only trap some big pairs, but def raise the AK-AJ part of their range, and it becomes quickly good when we are rarely dominated IMO.

Thing is I'm not sure what to assume when in a situation like this, it can't be purely reconstructed in Wizard, these fishes use their own handrankings when raiseing or limp/calling or limp/folding :)


Gerovit
Joined: 16.01.2011
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Yes i adjusted overcalling ranges and after hero folds action and even if you assume open 47% folding any but 8 percent, with sb pushing 20% which is very wide here its around 0.9% -ev.
Anyway i assume that fish cutoff is confident of his stack and will call you just to make the point wider then even he thinks is good :f_mad:


shakin65
Joined: 17.09.2005
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Usually stupid players limp/call too wide to make this a good shove. Especially if you consider the small stack in the SB. I let this go.


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