I just want to say that your explanation about a break even calculation was not correct.
2 examples:
pot 100$
to call: 50$ = 1:2 = 33% equity needed
50$ (to call)/150$ (to win) = 33% needed equity
pot 120$
to call: 30$ = 1:4 = 20% equity needed
30$/150$=20%
You said that this method is incorrect and you used some longer calculations. You got the same result, though. Only want to say that reeSSult was also right.
Ok nico You may not answer this if you so desire but I will ask and see what the responses are, because I am that persistent. ♦
Scenario:
NL5
10 seat table (FR) and Hero in UTG/UTG+1/UTG+2, [generally EP]
SB posts 2c
BB posts 5c
Hero raises to 20c
Villain raises to 60c (standard 3bet - important bet size) from MP2 [generally MP]
MP is laying EP 2.22 pot odds, therfore MP needs Hero in EP to fold 69% of time to break even.
Now, to combat this agressive MP with 3bet of ex 10%, I want to find a range of hands to spoil MP's profit and exploitation of me using his position.
So, I would like your opinion on this because I haven'ta clue if it's right or not, I've just been playng with numbers and stuff is all. OK, end of preamble. ![]()
Keeping math simple, if I play 100 hands from EP I would liketha t100 hand sto be spoiling MPs break even range.
I don't want to call I dont think, because that gives MP a look at the flop IP which obviously is like a free flop, yeauck!
So, I fold or reraise = very polarized I know but seems sensible?
Ok, I want to play back with 31% but that gives a free flop if I cal so I reraise with 33% of my 100 hand range or fold. Ok?
Combinations:
AA = 6
KK = 6
QQ = 6
AK = 16
total = 34 = cool
This is my nuts range. Notice it beats his break even if I only play back with these.
right so I'm not inlcuding all my range here, but if you want I can post it. I am just making ranges up and comparing hem to the 3bet size.
So, what if I'm raising with say 89s and 67s and T9s, -which are included in my 100 hand range - and get 3bet? It doesnt matter because I fold and laugh and he makes a few cents, ok.
This happens 2/3 of the time, but 1/3 of the time he runs into my nuts range and I profit.
I think we generally break even but I could be wrong and may depend on other dynamics I don't know.
Also, if I'm playing like this I think I must have a limping range even though it doesnt seem to be recommended and I hate limping anyway! Lol. This is because when I raise wnd get 3bet I think being polarized gives me the biggest advantage, beause then I canoot be read as just having the nuts if I 4bet?
Which brings me to 4bet bluff range. I think I need this to but am still working on it.
I hope you can understand my gibberish becaue I have only started thinking about this since you and hasenbraten began teaching me about equity and stuff and I think just leaving the table is like giving up and I never have.
Finally, thank you very much for your time and effort if you do answer and no problem at all if you don't, really. I know I don't need to know this really at micros but I want to move up now and I will very soon.
Found out this is to do with game theory so i'll look into that.
Again tyvm.
na the method one user used was:
60$ in pot
60$ to call
so we get 2:1 odds
he ment
60$ in the pot
60$ to call
we have 33% equity so we win hugely because
1 time we put in 60 and lose 60
1 time we put in 60 and lose 60
1 time we put in 60 and win 180 = +60$