[Closed] facing raises with TPTK

Came up against these two [and more :rolleyes:] this morning, if this is what you mean.
Against certain op types I just get rid of it, but sometimes (e.g. the second hand) I can get a bit sticky!. lol.
I'm not sure I should fold the river for 1/2 pot after calling the turn but I'm not ahead very often v this guy, so prob should have dumped on the turn, nh sir.

This stuff is obviously very oponent dependant etc., as you likely know, so v some villains I'll be shoving my AA, not folding, blah blah.

The way to approach these situations - and it's not always easy on a tough day - is with a cold calculator for a head; no ego, tilt, etc., etc., etc., just cold hard play.
It stops me getting too spewy most times, but it always sucks.

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.10(BB) Replayer
SB ($8.47)
Hero ($11.37)
UTG ($30.08)
CO ($5.19)
BTN ($13.24)

Dealt to Hero A♠ J♣

fold, fold, fold, SB calls $0.05, Hero raises to $0.30, SB calls $0.20

FLOP ($0.60) 4♥ J♥ 6♠

SB checks, Hero bets $0.40, SB calls $0.40

TURN ($1.40) 4♥ J♥ 6♠ 9♦

SB checks, Hero bets $0.65, SB raises to $1.95, Hero folds

SB wins $2.57

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.10(BB) Replayer
SB ($9.93)
BB ($10.82)
UTG ($23.25)
Hero ($13.59)
BTN ($11.44)

Dealt to Hero A♣ A♦

fold, Hero raises to $0.30, fold, fold, BB calls $0.20

FLOP ($0.65) 4♥ T♠ 2♣

BB checks, Hero bets $0.50, BB calls $0.50

TURN ($1.65) 4♥ T♠ 2♣ K♥

BB checks, Hero bets $0.80, BB raises to $2, Hero calls $1.20

RIVER ($5.65) 4♥ T♠ 2♣ K♥ 8♣

BB bets $2.50, Hero folds

BB wins $5.37

In general you won make any big mistakes folding everytime your facing a turn C/R with any 1 pair hand. Players playing limits under NL200 just dont raise TPTK type hands for value on the turn nor do they play draws agressive. They are just so imballanced torward value hands that your TPTK is almost never good.

So unless you have a very strong read on a player that his a total agro monkey your defoult play should be to bet/fold those hands. You will be facing a turn c/r about 5% of the time so just bet/fold your value hands.

And like that AA hand he posted thats pretty much the worst play possible. If you call the turn c/r you HAVE to call the river bet. If you don't then you just throw away 12bb's every time since once they c/r the turn you'll be facing the river bet 95% of the time.

Quite so and well explained.

some good advice MatejM47

what about facing a raise on the flop when OOP? is it too weak to play b/f with TPTK? if IP i guess we could raise/fold... but then if we get called we are slightly stuck on the turn if we don't improve... which probably won't happen 90% of the time.