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sdchamp123
Joined: 12.02.2009

Hello, this is a small sample of pre-flop betting situations and i will really like to hear your opinion and your thought process.

Hand 1#
Poker Stars $1.36+$0.14 No Limit Hold'em 45 man SnG-Tournament - t300/t600 Blinds + t50 - 8 players

(no useful stats due to few hands)
UTG+1: t10800
MP1: t2975
MP2: t12903
CO: t7305
Hero (BTN): t10943
SB: t14321
BB: t4540

UTG: t4713

Pre Flop: (t1300) Hero is BTN with A :club: 8 :spade:
5 folds, Hero ?

Is it okay to do a blind steal and if so how much should it be and why ?

Hand 2#
Poker Stars $1.36+$0.14 No Limit Hold'em 45 man SnG-Tournament - t25/t50 Blinds - 8 players

(no useful stats due to few hands)
BB: t2025 40.50 BBs
UTG: t2535 50.70 BBs
UTG+1: t752 15.04 BBs
MP1: t1691 33.82 BBs
MP2: t1550 31 BBs
Hero (CO): t1365 27.30 BBs
BTN: t1324 26.48 BBs
SB: t2258 45.16 BBs

Pre Flop: (t75) Hero is CO with 5 :diamond: 5 :club:
4 folds, Hero ?

Hand #3
Poker Stars No Limit Hold'em 45 man SnG-Tournament - t15.00/t30.00 Blinds - 8 players

MP2: t2025.00
CO: t2510.00
BTN: t677.00
SB: t1706.00
BB: t1470.00 49 BBs - VPIP: 16, PFR: 10, 3B: 6, AF: 2.3, Hands: 129
Hero (UTG): t1470.00 49 BBs - VPIP: 15, PFR: 12, 3B: 5, AF: 3.4, Hands: 74543
UTG+1: t1334.00 44.47 BBs - VPIP: 11, PFR: 9, 3B: 7, AF: 3.0, Hands: 107

MP1: t2308.00

Pre Flop: (t45) Hero is UTG with 3 :diamond: 3 :heart:
Hero calls t30, UTG+1 raises to t120, 5 folds, BB calls t90, Hero?

If you got article that could help please post that to :)

I appreciate all you help :f_love:


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

Hand 1: Steal is standard and using minraise or something very close to it is best. Plan is to fold versus SB reraise and go allin versus BB shove.

Hand 2: 2.5bb would often be my raise size.

Hand 3: Calling UTG+1 raise is ok when BB also call. That make it more likely you will gain action if you hit to set. Fold if no one call that raise.


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Luupainaja
Joined: 16.03.2010

Originally posted by ghaleon
Hand 1: Steal is standard and using minraise or something very close to it is best. Plan is to fold versus SB reraise and go allin versus BB shove.

Hand 2: 2.5bb would often be my raise size.

Hand 3: Calling UTG+1 raise is ok when BB also call. That make it more likely you will gain action if you hit to set. Fold if no one call that raise.

+1


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sdchamp123
Joined: 12.02.2009

Huge thanks :f_love:

I always learned that i should raise bigger (4bb + 1bb per limper)
And in this thread and my other "post flop betting" they say raise smaller preflop?
What have i missed ?


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i agree with ghaleon but at hand 2 i would raise 3bb at this limit from CO


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

Originally posted by sdchamp123
I always learned that i should raise bigger (4bb + 1bb per limper)
And in this thread and my other "post flop betting" they say raise smaller preflop?
What have i missed ?

4bb open raise size is ok in first blind level. E.g. 1500 starting stack and 10/20 blind level. Later on effective stack sizes are much more shallow so smaller raises does the job. So why to use smaller raises? For start you invest less to take those blinds down so e.g. stealing won't have to work as often to be profitable. Also with smaller raise pot size postflop will be smaller --> Possible cbet is smaller, more space to play postflop so possible postflop edge has more meaning. At start if you are not confident on your postflop game it might be best to use bit larger raise size preflop than ones many more experienced players might recommend.

Versus bad players you can also play in very exploitable way. E.g. if your normal raise size would be in some spot to 2.5bb you can raise with strong hand to 3bb or even bit more depending of villains habits. But this is not recommended versus competent villains. +1bb per limper is good rule in raise size most of time.

PS: I assume you have learned that 4bb +1bb per limper from some cash game article? Outside of first blind level(s) such raise size is definitely too big in sng format.


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chenny8888
Joined: 03.10.2007

Hi all,

Hand1: minraise or 1200 here

Hand2: 125 here. (2.25bb)

Hand3: call the raise. Fold if BB folded (unless the raiser is quite bad).


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sdchamp123
Joined: 12.02.2009

Originally posted by ghaleon

PS: I assume you have learned that 4bb +1bb per limper from some cash game article? Outside of first blind level(s) such raise size is definitely too big in sng format.

I believe i read it in the SnG articles :)


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