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NL100 - AJ tough spot on the river

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SB ($48.20)
BB ($123)
Hero ($205)
CO ($137)
BTN ($69.71)

Dealt to Hero J♥ A♠

Hero raises to $3.50, fold, BTN calls $3.50, fold, fold

FLOP ($8.50) 7♠ 3♣ 6♠

Hero bets $5, BTN calls $5

TURN ($18.50) 7♠ 3♣ 6♠ J♣

Hero bets $13, BTN calls $13

RIVER ($44.50) 7♠ 3♣ 6♠ J♣ 4♠

Hero checks, BTN bets $44.50, Hero?

Villain 53/21 (189)
limp ep - 31%
limp/call - 82%

Notes:
limp
bluffpot river v mb (1)
bluffpot-chb-bluff1/2 KQx33

Same villain as hand "KJ: 2pair v donkpot flushy turn"


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Bierbaer
Joined: 27.05.2005

Against a bluffy guy like him you shouldn't cbet too much with air.

Especially with a hand like this that has SD value and equity as well as great playability (2over + BDFD) a c/c on the flop is much better vs a spewy opponent.

On the turn the same applies. Generally I'm definitely betting like you do, but gven he's bluffy a c/c with the plan of c/calling river is fine, too.

On the river it's close (again with the read: bluffs pot).
We block the As, but there are tons of flushes in his range and we don't know if he can turn SD-value into a bluff like this, so I'd c/f.


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With a check/call line what would you do on a blank turn?


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axelphoney
Joined: 03.10.2009

Originally posted by Bierbaer
Against a bluffy guy like him you shouldn't cbet too much with air.

Especially with a hand like this that has SD value and equity as well as great playability (2over + BDFD) a c/c on the flop is much better vs a spewy opponent.

On the turn the same applies. Generally I'm definitely betting like you do, but gven he's bluffy a c/c with the plan of c/calling river is fine, too.

On the river it's close (again with the read: bluffs pot).
We block the As, but there are tons of flushes in his range and we don't know if he can turn SD-value into a bluff like this, so I'd c/f.

If we go for the c/call line on the flop what is our plan for future streets then? c/call down if we hit our tp, and if not just c/f?

Also, about the riverplay:

Aren't we missing value here by checking?

If we checks what worse hands will he bet do you think here? Imo, I would say that most of these players (unless it's one of those guys who turns weak/medium SD-value hands into bluffs) will only bet TP+, and then missed draws ofc. But then on the other hand there is basically only 98 that misses on river.

If we bet on the other hand we might be able to get som thin value from 7x,88-TT, Jx (if he peeled the flop with that).

But I guess it's still kinda close though. And if we bets how big should we make it? 1/2 pot?

Also how big does the smallest bet has to be on the river for us to call when we elect to check?


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I think I´m c/ring turn vs his draws and weaker made hands.

On river the best play is to bet something like 20 (I have noticed that these kind of fishes dont bluffraise ever, but they pot it as bluff as soon as you give them the chance). I think if you check the river, it is for c/calling. But considering the very bad rivercard, I´m afraid he has more valuehands than bluffs.


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jmackenzie
Joined: 04.06.2008

i would be playing the hand same until river i think betting between 18 and 24 for value as shoving the river as a bluff is hard for most opp to do


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Bierbaer
Joined: 27.05.2005

Originally posted by axelphoney

Originally posted by Bierbaer
Against a bluffy guy like him you shouldn't cbet too much with air.

Especially with a hand like this that has SD value and equity as well as great playability (2over + BDFD) a c/c on the flop is much better vs a spewy opponent.

On the turn the same applies. Generally I'm definitely betting like you do, but gven he's bluffy a c/c with the plan of c/calling river is fine, too.

On the river it's close (again with the read: bluffs pot).
We block the As, but there are tons of flushes in his range and we don't know if he can turn SD-value into a bluff like this, so I'd c/f.

If we go for the c/call line on the flop what is our plan for future streets then? c/call down if we hit our tp, and if not just c/f?
Generally without further reads, yes: c/c flop, c/f turn. With reads even a calldown is an option.

Also, about the riverplay:

Aren't we missing value here by checking?
It depends on how strong his range actually is. The 4 completes lots of draws...
If we checks what worse hands will he bet do you think here? Imo, I would say that most of these players (unless it's one of those guys who turns weak/medium SD-value hands into bluffs) will only bet TP+, and then missed draws ofc. But then on the other hand there is basically only 98 that misses on river.
Yep agree, that's why imo it's not a c/c but a c/f.
If we bet on the other hand we might be able to get som thin value from 7x,88-TT, Jx (if he peeled the flop with that).

But I guess it's still kinda close though. And if we bets how big should we make it? 1/2 pot?
If we bet it probably has to be even smaller, I'd go for smth like 14-18.

Also how big does the smallest bet has to be on the river for us to call when we elect to check?
I'd look him um if he makes it half pot or smaller.


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