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[Closed] 0.25/0.50 FL SH QJs fold toppair on flop

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G1lius
Joined: 27.10.2007

Titan Limit Hold'em, $0.25/$0.50 (Titan HH Converter by Kreatief)

BB ($5.11)
MP2 ($35.86)
MP3 ($5)
CO ($2.75)
BTN ($4.20)
SB ($19.60) (Hero)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q♦, J♦
1 folds, MP3 checks, CO calls, BTN calls, Hero calls, BB raises, MP3 calls, CO calls, BTN raises, Hero calls, BB raises, MP3 calls, CO calls, BTN calls, Hero calls,

Flop: 6♥, 9♥, Q♠ ( 10BB )
Hero checks, BB bets, MP3 raises, CO calls, BTN raises, 2 folds, MP3 calls, CO calls,

Turn: T♠ ( 15BB )
MP3 checks, CO bets, BTN raises, MP3 raises, CO raises All-In $1, BTN raises, MP3 calls,

River: J♠ ( 25BB )
MP3 bets, BTN raises All-In $0,45,

Final Pot: 26BB

Preflop is close to raising, but the chart says call vs. 3 limpers.
button limp/raises, so I put him on a big hand.
Flop is a raise prolly, but with my tought of btn having a big hand, I planned on check/calling, but with that much action behind me, I wasn't going to get a cheap showdown, and I might be drawing dead anyway.

I think this is the first time I ever layed toppair down on the flop on such a dry board...
Is this play to weak? what if I bet, and it gets capped to me?


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frzl
Joined: 25.04.2006

good imo. you are most likely pretty dead on the flop


I am a newbie so my questin may be a bit stupid. Can you comment on preflop play ?

Is not hero supposed to fold on preflop because there is two raises after hin ?


Originally posted by PokerSharp
I am a newbie so my questin may be a bit stupid. Can you comment on preflop play ?

Is not hero supposed to fold on preflop because there is two raises after hin ?

His hand plays very well in a big pot with many opponents. If he hits a straight or flush he will win a lot money so this should be worth it. I'm not 100% sure what the SHC says about it and folding is ok as well if you play by the SHC because you might come into trouble if you hit just a pair if you are not able to fold it correctly. :)


Originally posted by ciRith
His hand plays very well in a big pot with many opponents. If he hits a straight or flush he will win a lot money so this should be worth it. I'm not 100% sure what the SHC says about it and folding is ok as well if you play by the SHC because you might come into trouble if you hit just a pair if you are not able to fold it correctly. :)

Thank you very much I hope I can catch something from this. Can you give an example where toppair would be ok to go on, even if there is many players in the hand ?


Well just look at the hand above. If this would be "bet, call, call, call" instead of "bet, raise, call, 3-bet" on the flop then you can call for your outs. You are still behind but now you can draw profitable.

Often beginers aren't able to fold this with the 3-bet action so it's better to foldit right away. (If the SHC says so.)


G1lius
Joined: 27.10.2007

What if it gets 1 bet/2bets on the flop? 1 bet should be a call I think, just for the outs. right? (allready answered)
2 bets is a fold?

After this hand the only thing I could say for about 2 minutes was: "whaaw"
this is the reason:

Results:
MP3 has 6♠, 2♠
CO has 8♥, 4♥
BTN has T♥, K♥
Outcome: MP3 wins $12.78

I got a nice profit later on that table :P

EDIT: damn, too late :P


Against 2 bets I fold too because you are often dominated and they might 3-bet behind you.

BU played the hand good and CO not folding a flushdraw is normal as well but MP3 is a funny guy. ;)


RMB
RMB
Joined: 29.03.2008

I would fold pre-flop.

Yes MP3 is a funny guy lol... 6-2 >.>