A8o 10bbs BTN shove/minraise/fold pre

07.01.2012, 11:47 0

Party Poker No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t200.00/t400.00 Blinds - 4 players - View hand 1584835
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SB: t10460.00 26.15 BBs - VPIP: 27, PFR: 12, 3B: 3, AF: 3.6, Hands: 143
BB: t1420.00 3.55 BBs - VPIP: 32, PFR: 15, 3B: 3, AF: 1.2, Hands: 149
CO: t3950.00 9.88 BBs - VPIP: 23, PFR: 21, 3B: 27, AF: 3.5, Hands: 39
Hero (BTN): t4170.00 10.43 BBs - VPIP: 17, PFR: 13, 3B: 3, AF: 3.1, Hands: 15684

Pre Flop: (t600) Hero is BTN with A :spade: 8 :club:
1 fold, Hero raises to t800, SB calls t600, BB raises to t1420, Hero raises to t4170, 1 fold

SB Filtered Stats: 42 hands-1.5-22-7 ;Steal stats: 11%-20%SB
BB Filtered Stats: 48 hands-3.0-32-20

vs unknowns..

Preflop: I'm not sure but I believe it's marginal maybe slightly -EV to shove due to SB calling too "loose" vs my AI... A9s+, ATo+ instant shove..

I didn't want to give up on the hand though so I minraised (10bbs) with the intention of folding to the SB possible reshove and calling BB shove.

SB flats. I thought with a very weak range so I could either flat and cooperate or shove. I shoved because I was thinking maybe he is one of those villains that doesn't want to cooperate etc..

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_Anonymous_

07.01.2012, 13:38 0

imo, you don't lose too much value giving up this hand outright. If you think SB is loose, then that's what I'd do, no sense risking our stack in this bubble spot.

The blinds are almost surely going to go all in here if you fold.

This is the bottom of the Nash range, and I think Nash is unrealistically tight here, especially for the BB. SB will also never fold AT I think.

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kurrkabin

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07.01.2012, 23:53 0

Interesting spot imo. SB is 22/7 on the bubble, right? That's fishy, but not that loose. Folding won't be a mistake. Pushing is a bit marginal, so I don't like it.

Actually, in this spot, I think I like to just call. Might look strange to you, but I like to mix it up with these stack sizes and opponents. Our plan is to go broke vs the BB and fold if the SB plays back. BB is loose, he will shove a lot of hands.

We can also take down the pot IP with a cbet even if we miss, that is the cheaper way of doing the "min raise" thing. But again- folding will not be a mistake.

I will leave it open.

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_Anonymous_

08.01.2012, 08:10 0

Originally posted by elhh82

The blinds are almost surely going to go all in here if you fold.

Oh yeahh.. I forgot to mention that I was doubtful how aggro CL will play his SB which is why I included his steal stats.

If I had acquired any reads that CL is shoving often enough from SB then it's a sure fold pre.

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_Anonymous_

08.01.2012, 08:17 0

Originally posted by kurrkabin

Interesting spot imo. SB is 22/7 on the bubble, right?

jep, correct.

Actually, in this spot, I think I like to just call. Might look strange to you, but I like to mix it up with these stack sizes and opponents. Our plan is to go broke vs the BB and fold if the SB plays back. BB is loose, he will shove a lot of hands.

We can also take down the pot IP with a cbet even if we miss, that is the cheaper way of doing the "min raise" thing. But again- folding will not be a mistake.

Not strange at all but definitely very interesting to think about it ;)..

I'm not used to this kind of moves (limping pre) but I'm sure that other solid regs do this kind of moves too.. so will def try to include it in my "arsenal" now that I'm a bit working on my game :)..

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chenny8888

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09.01.2012, 16:54 0

Hi all,

I'm in the camp of calling also, SB could be trapping here too so...

That said it's extremely hard for us to bubble, I just hate having A8o against SB's end calling range.

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